TrentonZero

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2022-08-27 13:41:10

(start rant with cancel worthy substrings)
Hear me out, but, it seems like the gist of political philosophy for the last 300 years or so has been "How do we solve the problem of arbitary power, because it's obvously bad." So, we have Montesquieu giving us checks-and-balances, and we have a natural rights tradition flowing out of Locke, and so forth.
And now we have reached the point where there is a feeling of everyone throwing up their hands in disgust at the sheer impossibility of changing anything, that everything is running badly on autopilot, and the electorate throwing Hail Mary passes to messianic politicians. (One would think Obama and Trump were rivals for the Second Coming of Christ, for the way their supporters talked about them.)
It puzzles me, so I look back and I see that, it used to be that there were little fiefdoms of arbitary power all over American society. Online for example: every message board was a little dictatorship, and there were thousands. IRC channels were dictatorships, and there were tens of thousands.
Now, Twitter and Facebook are a dictatorships, and there are 2.
In the real world, small businesses were dictatorships, and there were hundreds of thousands. Now, there are mostly chains.
A counter-intuitive result is that we are freer to be assholes in the monopolistic world. We complain about Twitter and Facebook moderation (with very good cause), but no IRC chanop, no forum moderator, would ever tolerate a hundredth of the bullshit that Twitter and Facebook tolerate.
I can walk into any chain restauraunt and get my food free by being an ass about anything that takes my fancy. But, there is an Italian place down the road, run for decades by a first generation Albanan immigrant and his wife. If something was legit wrong, you'll get a free meal and a heartfelt apology.
But if someone were to pull the "I get free food because I'm an asshole" routine on them, they would quickly discover the inspiration for the Seinfeld "Soup Nazi" episode.
I don't know the answer here. It's certainly not "the US should be a dictatorship." But we may be entering a period where we need to think a little less about traditional polisci solutions to traditional polisci problems and start thinking about how to engineer more little dictatorships into our society, before we end up with one big one.
(end rant)

2022-08-27 11:41:57

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This.
Yeah, it's newbish to reply "Me too!"
I'm doing it anyway.
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/26/22 16:48:35 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Fakebook recruiters keep emailing and I really want to respond and just say "Pronouns in email signature."

2022-08-25 17:51:58

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Ah! Okay.
LOL. I should be nice, this stuff is hard to pick up from nothing, but I find that so funny.
>From: (jb55) at 08/25/22 12:07:14 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>the account was created by accident or on purpose by someone, I just updated the profile to dissuade them from using it.

2022-08-25 17:01:33

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It would break a lot of public key encryption if you could recover anything about the private key 1 simply by using public key 1 as private key 2.
But why deliberately create an account anyone can post as (other than, because you can.)
>From: (jb55s-pubkey) at 08/24/22 16:07:50 on wss://relay.zerosequioso.com
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>which is fine i guess.. cause everybody's public key can be used by anyone else as a private key. as in, this does not have any security implications, as I understand it. Just that its you only you used it too.

2022-08-25 16:54:40

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Unless I really misunderstood the OP thread, I don't think this is describing the same thing. The Twitter thread literally says its for ostracization of various bad people.
What your describing sounds cool if open and easy to opt in and out of. (Twitter and Youtube both do this in a closed secretive way, and it drives me crazy, and I don't know how much Twitter's algo sucks because this is just a terrible idea or because their incentive is engagement and this breaks what would otherwise be nice.)
>From: (unclebobmartin) at 08/25/22 24:12:32 on wss://relay.zerosequioso.com
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>"Trust" might be the wrong word. "Interest" might be better. I have a group of people whom I am interested in. They sometimes say interesting things. So I'm interested in who _they_ think are interesting. I also find it useful to be informed when the author of a message is neither in my interest group, nor in any of theirs. Such authors are outsiders knocking to get in.
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2022-08-25 03:10:05

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It feels like the web-of-trust was thrown in as flavor text. The intended emergent behavior is "there will be trusted people. They will maintain blacklists for the benefits of others. Some of them might even be paid (for child-safe whitelists, for example.)"
But that emergent behavior doesn't need a web-of-trust. A web-of-trust actually tends to degrade it. There's a reason why,beyond a scale of a hundred or so people, we trust punishments to formal and open processes and not gossip-circles.
Believing that a PGP signed email came from a source is a very different problem from "an angry mob hates this person. Are they right?"
>From: (shawn) at 08/22/22 18:12:42 on wss://nostr-relay.untethr.me
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>fiatjaf on 🔥
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>https://twitter.com/fiatjaf/status/1561851726394789888

2022-08-20 18:35:51

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The \n case makes me wonder if the internal string representation in your language always uses either Windows or Unix line endings (\r\n or \n respectively), and coerces everything coming in to that form. Alternatively, there is a specific character encoding (UTF8 in Java for example) that is always used internally, and you're actually getting a ISO-8859-1 message.
Either way, when you naively feed the bytes from the string into the hashing algorithm, you are subtly changing the message (changing Windows line-endings to Unix, or changing ISO-8859-1 to UTF8).
That would be my guess.
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/20/22 11:37:46 on wss://relay.zerosequioso.com
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>Are there any gotchas to hashing messages that contain escape characters in the content? I keep getting the wrong hash according to noscl when content contains things like \n or \"

2022-08-20 02:57:46

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Oh, that bitch goddess.
I bet anything that reduces to a goto makes borrow checking impossible.
I haven't really tried yet, but my first impression messing around in Rust koans was that my brain makes borrow checking impossible, for that matter.
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/19/22 21:46:22 on wss://relay.zerosequioso.com
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>It was Rust and yeah I was wanting to break and jump to the end

2022-08-20 02:47:06

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I think I'm just going to set me email signature to "TikTok delenda est"
>From: (bestofhn) at 08/19/22 21:40:01 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Inappbrowser.com – see what JavaScript gets injected through an in-app browser https://krausefx.com//blog/announcing-inappbrowsercom-see-what-javascript-commands-get-executed-in-an-in-app-browser

2022-08-20 02:44:27

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Together, we can MBGA (Make BASIC Great Again).
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/19/22 21:43:29 on wss://relay.zerosequioso.com
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>Apparently Golang has GOTO...

2022-08-20 02:42:37

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I don't know which language this is, but most have "break" to prematurely terminate a loop. Java even allows break to jump to a label (just like GOTO.)
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/19/22 21:39:10 on wss://relay.zerosequioso.com
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>I was mostly joking, but got the urge when I had something that I wanted to happen at the end of every iteration of a loop, but also wanted to sometimes end the iteration early. Easier to GOTO instead of paste the code into two places.

2022-08-20 02:35:13

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No, but I do wonder why? I'm having a hard time contriving a scenario where a GOTO does something naturally that isn't perfectly natural with either a loop or a subroutine/function/method call.
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/19/22 16:36:00 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Am I bad at coding if I start wishing a language had GOTO statements?

2022-08-18 23:46:22

The tragedy of Agile (IMHO) is that it started out (in the manifesto) as something like "No matter what the formal process is,when requirements change or complications arise, effective teams start a conversation about how to solve the problem. They do this regardless of process."
I have heard engineers declare a thing "Not Agile" because of esoteric disagreements about how to conduct a scrum or who attends retrospectives. I've even heard engineers declare that the Agile answer to "ETA?" is "When I'm done, old man!"
I've only worked one place that I would declare "Not Agile." It was a 6 month contract at a company writing software to be used by HR people just down the hallway. So, if I couldn't reproduce the problem they reported, I would walk the 50 ft down the hall and ask.
One day the CTO saw me doing this, and, red-in-the-face, forbade me to ever go speak to the users. Accused them of being manipulative liars. In a company of about 50 people, I was told any clarification I needed on a bug report should go through the PM.
Why? Well, so that they would "learn to write correct bug reports." But mostly, because their provocative attire was a tactic to manipulate men into...fixing the bug tickets we were already assigned to fix?!? I don't know, but I kid you not.
They weren't agile. Not because they were waterfall (there's actually nothing in the manifesto condemning waterfall), but because no amount of process ritual of any form could possibly undo an eng team that had declared a one-sided total war against their users and coworkers.
That team could observe every agile workshop ritual, and they would not be an agile team. And a team can observe all the forms of waterfall, and be agile, because they...basically ignore waterfall. If they are in design and realize a requirement was missed, they have lunch with the business analyst.
In the agile manifesto world view, process is management thing, done for the benefit of management, to meet organizational needs. Effective teams honor the forms, and then get things done. And any process works as long as no one gets in the way:
* by cultivating warfare between QA and dev
* by cultivating architects who build incoherent designs and then tell implementors "Not my problem, go figure it out."
* by telling the programmers that their users are (at the most extreme end) literal gold-digging whores.
In this understanding, one of the most unagile things in the world is actually the agile coach who walks into an effective team and declares that no one representing support should be at the retro, that people aren't saying things the right way during scrum, that story points are being used incorrectly, that nothing can change once the sprint has begun.

2022-08-18 22:39:33

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Reading some horror stories about the battery, and I'm not the biggest fan of buying a PC from a 100% Chinese vendor (I know I know, everything is made in China, but one hopes the potential for shenanigans are at least partially mitigated when Apple or IBM is overseeing the whole thing, versus just 100% Chinese designed, manufactured, and assembled.)
But all that said...this does seem like a pretty neat device.
>From: (bestofhn) at 08/18/22 16:15:01 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>I love my GPD Micro PC https://blog.danieljanus.pl/2022/08/18/i-love-my-gpd-micro-pc/

2022-08-16 23:53:36

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I don't disagree with that. I haven't the slightest idea where to draw the line of where domestic vs international mischief begins and ends though.
I suspect that the foreign interference is more about leaning into existing, destructive tendencies than creating them, and that they don't particularly care. (For example, I think there's something to Russia pushing for Trump, but I also suspect they pushed for Bernie, Johnson/Weld 2016, #Resistance/BLM, and literally anything else to distract us from eastern Europe and the Middle East.)
>From: (unclebobmartin) at 08/16/22 18:41:02 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Call me a conspiracy theorist; but I think there are foreign powers behind it, or at least encouraging it. I also think there are stooges in high places who have been bribed/extorted to support and push it down our throats.

2022-08-16 23:37:01

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I think there are sincere activists who believe the old Popperian logic of "the tolerant need not tolerate the intolerant" applies here (they are wrong, but sincere), and I think there are psychopaths who see this as an opportunity to control others.
I think what you are describing here matches the later people. They exist, but they always existed, and they are parasites. 'The shadow can only mock, it cannot make.' They attach to anything already present that gives them that power (90% of the bad rap of religion comes from them: it amazed me in the AppleTV series Schmigadoon! that they seemed completely unaware that the religious bigot villain sounded more like a wokester from HR than anyone remotely contemporary.)
They can't be the explanation, because they were here before wokeism began, and will be here after it passes.
>From: (unclebobmartin) at 08/16/22 18:25:24 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>I actually think it is something quite a bit more evil than the natural progression towards the "great attractor" of personal autonomy. I think it is a way for one faction to solidify their power by curtailing the personal autonomy of everyone else. They do this by forcing you, through shame and the threat of being othered, to accept and declare obvious untruths.

2022-08-16 23:10:20

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My opinion:
(open rant)
Americans started telling themselves a sort of story about how modern liberal democracy is about unlimited personal autonomy as opposed to a neat balancing act for min-maxing monarchy, aristocracy and classical democracy, trying to get the advantages of each while minimizing the downsides.
Once you believe there is an arrow of history, and it points towards "more personal autonomy," without any limiting principle, then it's like a blackhole where the singularity is a point of infinite personal autonomy. No one looks at the singularity though (or backwards to before they started falling towards it): Americans are pragmatists born in a revolution. Backwards is by definition into darkness, and "what happens if you keep on this path for a 100 years" sounds like "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"
So, the people that are going along are the ones that are closer to the singularity ("ahead of their time"). It seems plausible that the next step (after normalization of contraception, extra-marital sex, divorce, homosexuality, and homosexual marriage) is the normalization of transexuality, and the step after that is transexuality for children.
Ironically, this is the first to involve children, and it hinges on the same logic that causes the outrage around transexuals in women's sports: because puberty causes irreservable, sex-specific changes to the body, and because "I'm born this way," the success of the transition hinges upon doing it before puberty.
Which is horrifying to anyone stepping back and looking at the full scope, but if you are looking at nothing but the trend line, it seems like the natural next steps.
(shrugs) It's a slippery slope, and slippery slopes are a logical fallacy, but that only means I can't prove the above like a syllogism. People *can* renounce it in horror and turn back. I used the metaphor of a black hole, but there's no event horizon.
But, there is something like a gravity well: past actual bigotries make the historicist story plausible, and past excuses sounded just like the ones being used now.
People just have to have the moral courage to see the dichotomy "truth-as-I-see-it vs the zeitgeist," and choose truth.
(close rant)
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/16/22 12:49:03 on wss://relay.damus.io
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>It's hard to understand why hospitals would promote such madness. Do you think it is just money, ideology, or a combination? Seems like a blatant violation of the Hippocratic Oath whatever it is.

2022-08-16 17:43:13

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Well, if we are going be nasty about it...
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/modern-phase-10820
tldr; because my memory goes back more than 2 years.
>From: (manfromhighcastle) at 08/16/22 08:38:43 on wss://relay.damus.io
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>Excellent article. The catholics and their pope are indeed spineless, consider their approval of the vaxxines made from aborted fetal tissue. More to the point though, rather than trust hippies, why don't you go to a better church? Like some protenstant born again mega church. Pastors there will not bend their knee

2022-08-16 13:08:05

"In Live Not By Lies, Czech dissident Kamila Bendova, a strict Catholic, explained to me why she and her late husband had no problem at all being close friends and allies with the free-love hippies of the anti-communist dissident movement. She said that when you are in a totalitarian situation, the rarest quality to find is courage. The hippies had it; most Christians, she said, did not; they conformed like everybody else. Kamila said she and her husband knew that they had to stand with the few and the brave, whatever else those people believed.
Let this be a lesson to us all. Your pastor and best friends in your church might be too afraid of being thought bigoted to raise their voices against this demonic evil. Better get it clear in your head right now: when the persecutors come for you, these people will keep their heads down and say nothing; the atheist liberals like Peter Boghossian, on the other hand, will have your back."
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trans-totalitarianism-time-for-moral-panic/

2022-08-15 13:32:17

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Agreed, and it's a good example because it would essentially unusable if someone didn't do that.
The flaw is not that the filters exist, that flaw is that Google (MS, Facebook, Twitter, etc) can do that single-handedly.
Eventually, nostr will die or will have something equivalent.
That something equivalent either has to be something built into the protocol (which re-centralizes control over it, bad), something the relays do (better, and somewhat inevitable, but will end the same place as email if its the only thing), or something the users control (this is ideal.)
>From: (unclebobmartin) at 08/15/22 07:51:40 on wss://relay.damus.io
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>While technically SMTP is still peer-peer and open; almost nobody uses it that way anymore. Email providers, like Google, have pretty much locked up all the email traffic and could exert considerable influence over it, including censorship.
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>>From: TrentonZero at 08/14/22 21:42:02 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>>I meant to say here "[Email is the only protocol] that is used at substantial scale."
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>>>From: TrentonZero at 08/14/22 21:34:41 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>>> Email is the only protocol that works kinda sorta a little like nostr, in that everything is decentralized and anybody can send to anybody.

2022-08-15 02:44:39

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I would argue such whitelists are a horrible idea. My idea was easy-to-use and user-overridable subscribable blacklists.
>From: (manfromhighcastle) at 08/14/22 18:12:06 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Yes, nonprofits or concerned parties would produce lists of "I want this political slant" RSS feed of whitelisted pubkeys, and blacklist of nono pubkeys. As long as you cannot force censor relays, the wokeies can just publish their whitelists but cannot actually ban content.

2022-08-15 02:42:02

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I meant to say here "[Email is the only protocol] that is used at substantial scale."
>From: TrentonZero at 08/14/22 21:34:41 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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> Email is the only protocol that works kinda sorta a little like nostr, in that everything is decentralized and anybody can send to anybody.

2022-08-15 02:39:33

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Section 230 would suggest no, I guess. But I would think that court orders to remove child and revenge porn etc could still be enforced against relays. Youtube, for example, is covered by S230, but still has to comply with DMCA copyright take down orders.
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/14/22 20:21:39 on wss://relay.damus.io
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>That actually raises another question, could those running relays become criminally liable if someone decided to use the protocol for, say, publishing illicit images or breached data?

2022-08-15 02:34:41

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Spam is one example. Email is the only protocol that works kinda sorta a little like nostr, in that everything is decentralized and anybody can send to anybody. nostr is a little worse actually because, I can send to unclebob, and he can block me. But if I cite an unclebob post with my spam for penis enlargement pills, over and over again, everybody who follows Bob has to block me. It isn't happening yet, because nostr isn't big enough. When it becomes even 1,000th the size of Twitter, it will be a huge problem. Relays and even the protocol author could make things better, but that brings me to the worse part...
Every social network was started by free speech absolutists. Nobody who started Facebook and Twitter wanted to be in the "police speech for the whole world" business. They were beaten into one small blow at a time. But the scariest example is Mastodon.
The Mastodon creator made a decentralized platform with fully open eyes to be self-policing and federated, because he wanted to give gay people the ability to create their own safe place where they could enforce their own community standards, and thought this was a good idea in general. Then Gab came along, said "Cool!" and used the protocol for a right-wing social network.
Mastodon's creator started a campaign to undermine his own protocol: it would've been sufficient to endorse blocking Gab nodes from the respectable parts of the fediverse. But he pushed client makers to blacklist Gab, and singled out those who didn't as crypto-Nazi.
From my perspective, from Facebook -> Twitter -> Mastodon, we keep solving for "censorship bad, no censorship" and not for "We need censorship, but more like how everyone just knows you don't say fuck at grandma's house, and less like how an LGBTQ Studies grad student can decide anonymously that nobody on Earth should be allowed to read Bablylon Bee's dangerous, hurtful, inappropriate jokes."
So my post is more from that perspective: build an actual real "community standards" tool that is so good that nobody could ever convince a majority of people that they need to be replaced with the actual thought police that keeping being brought into the other networks the instant "the bad guys" discover the network.
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/14/22 20:13:57 on wss://relay.damus.io
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>Maybe I'm too naive, but given that communication is largely opt-in on nostr (person A doesn't see person B's posts unless they follow them, with few exceptions) I don't see much point to censorship. As long as users have the ability to block others it's very easy to create your own filter bubble. I could see relays wanting to defend themselves against spam or posting of illegal content though.

2022-08-14 23:01:19

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Yeah, it could work at the relay level, though that wasn't what I had in mind, and it has flaws.
Mainly, since relays are your gateway to the content, nothing makes them be transparent about precisely what they are filtering and why. That feels a little too much like a nanny. People should feel like they are being helped to do what they would do with blocking themselves, but don't want to bother.
So, I was thinking more like would be censors would simply provide something like an RSS feed that provides all the PKs they block, their reasons, and the PK of an admin who can be appealed to.
Then nostr clients can combine all the subscribed feeds into a single big blacklist locally for that user, and allow users to override bans they disagree with an explicit follow.
Done right, I would hope that this would evolve to most of the censoring feeds having lanes they stay in.
>From: (manfromhighcastle) at 08/14/22 09:26:59 on wss://relay.damus.io
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>Yes reminds me of Stephenson in I think The Fall, where people subscribe to their own reality feeds, and choose their own censors and what they voluntarily not want to see. We could have "normie" heavily censored mainstream relays, then lightly touched "yellow" relays and finally the full feed of the sewer on the "red" relays

2022-08-14 13:58:02

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Yeah. I'm already debating creating a tool that that provides opt-in censorship for nostr. My theory is no one minds that Twitter or Facebook bans stuff that ought to be banned, they just disagree on what that is. So an easy way to opt into (and out of) one or more censorship regimes, where the censors have to go on the record on:
* What their philosophy is
* Who they are blacklisting
* Why they were blacklisted
Perfectly fine with the sort of people policing Twitter and Facebook's community guideline being one option among many.
>From: (unclebobmartin) at 08/14/22 08:50:38 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>The Tragedy of the Commons is real, and it is coming. Filters will become ever more important. But that's as it should be.
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>>From: zerosequioso<-man... at 08/14/22 08:49:43 on wss://nostr.bitcoiner.social
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>>It kind of reminds me of the old IRC days

2022-08-14 02:45:59

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I have only read "The New Science of Politics."
>From: (manfromhighcastle) at 08/13/22 21:40:15 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Is there a specific Voeglin book you recommend? The secularized gnosticism is spot on. We have a new age state religion of "wokeism" "diversity" and "transgenderism" with George Floyd as the crucified Christ, the BLM as the Pharisees and Ocasio Cortes as Mary Magdalene. The sheer insanity and inanity of the wokies will take some energy, determination and persistence to beat back into hell, where it came from.

2022-08-14 02:29:05

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Yeah, I think there is truth there.
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/13/22 21:15:02 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>I wonder if also it's appealing to managers / authority figures because it provides a way for people to signal allegiance to the group (you know someone is obedient if they say the right slogans)?

2022-08-14 02:19:41

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Totally should read Voegelin: basically, all the historicist ideologies are secular forms of Gnostic Christianity (oversimplified: you are saved by the possession of esoteric knowledge.) Oversimplified, you can take it too far and end up sounding like a red-pilled version of woke, but it's a wonderful insight (as long as you take it with a dose of other insights.)
Wokeism as religion in other senses than that I personally have mixed feelings about. I'm a practicing Catholic, we have confession, but its different (for one, it's almost impossible to use it as a virtue signal: it is private.) Where I think the real key to "Wokeism is like religion" lies is that Woke scolds come off like a certain type of old religious lady.
I'm in Texas, so she's an old Baptist lady in my imagination, but they exist in every community. This is the lady that no one really agrees with, but everyone in the community agrees she is very "proper," and so if she sees you playing Magic the Gathering, or reading any fantasy book not written by CS Lewis, or, God help you, playing D&D, she can make your life hell.
Woke scolds remind me of *her!* It's not just that they are wrong. Hell, by definition, I think everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. It's that they have this very superficial, mostly appearances-based, vision of righteousness and they can and will punish you severly for straying from it.
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/13/22 21:07:54 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Very interesting points, I think in a lot of ways progressivism does seem like a type of religion (e.g., the "confessions" about privilege). It's just scary how many people have fallen into the trance so quickly.

2022-08-14 01:25:09

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I wasn't the one asked, but hey, what's a social network without butting in?
I would go with a combo of:
* It's one of the few industries where an entry-level employee has enough market power that a very small minority can dictate the rules. (Nassim Taleb has a good essay on this as a more abstract phenomenon: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 )
* Lots of people have been brought up to mistake "nice" for a first order virtue. But, it's not. It's more like a rule-of-thumb. In 99% of ethical dilemnas, especially where groups are concerned, "nice" gives a good approximate answer, and overworked teachers have an incentive to prefer it over actual goodness. But being faced with intolerant activists who demand cheap virtue signals is one of those places where "nice" just comes up with the wrong answer.
* Speaking of cheap virtue signalling: Heretic-hunting is a very, very tempting form of self righteousness. Once holding the right opinion becomes recognized as virtuous, it is a very easy virtue to master and feel self-righteous about. Everyone realized pretty easily that this is a perennial temptation for the religious. But, it's also true about any flavor of historicist ideology (of which progressivism is one): all your sins are washed away because you have "accepted Christ as your"...sorry, I meant..."on the right-side of history." (If you recognize hints of Voegelin here, I tip my hat to you. And if you don't....there are answers hiding in the Google search of that name.)
>From: (zerosequioso) at 08/13/22 19:58:42 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>#[4] As someone who's been in technology for a while, do you have insight into why wokeism is so widespread in the industry? It now seems almost uncommon for people to *not* advertise their pronouns.

2022-08-13 23:04:43

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A is for Ayn Rand's favorite meme.
>From: (d97a344...) at 08/13/22 18:00:24 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>A

2022-08-13 21:52:06

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That's the conventional wisdom anyway. I'm not 100% convinced it's wrong. But r0ml's argument keeps me up at night: dependencies are tech debt, like literally, they are technical decisions that save time/money now but that charge interest. This doesn't make them automatically wrong, but adds the other side to the coin.
>From: (slaninas) at 08/13/22 16:12:05 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>It depends. Sometimes it may be worth it to write from scratch but often it feels like a total waste.

2022-08-13 20:07:22

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I'm getting an Olaf Stapledon vibe from the descrition on Goodreads. Is that accurate?
>From: (jb55) at 08/13/22 15:00:37 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Started reading House of Suns awhile back. Love me some space operas. Started with the andromeda galaxy just disappearing and all these million year old advanced civilizations having no clue why.

2022-08-13 20:05:25

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I'm in the middle of Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota series and loving it so far. She's a classicist at Uni of Chicago, and it's really cool reading speculative fiction from someone with that background.
(It can be a little Gene Wolfe-like in places. For example, I think my favorite chapter is the one where a character, for reasons that make sense in the story, is speaking in a sort of neo-Latin, and we are being given the Latin, one character's translation, and the narrator teases in the footnotes that they don't think the translation is quite right.)
>From: (shawn) at 08/13/22 14:57:58 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Sci-fi fans: what’s your current read?

2022-08-13 19:53:39

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I suspect maybe r0ml was just right all along that fear of NIH syndrome is overblown and that we are better off just never pulling in dependencies unless it really is just something you could not write yourself...
>From: TrentonZero at 08/13/22 14:51:56 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>I suspect it is because dependency systems always add transitive dependencies to a namespacing system that isn't designed to support them.
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>So the instant A depends on B that depends on C1.0.0, and A depends on D that depends on C2.0.0, now A has to either depend on C1.0.0 or C2.0.0. Either way could break something.
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>Unless the underlying system allows for isolating the two namespaces. (I'm not aware of any that do, but doesn't mean they don't exist.) If any did allow for that isolation, it would make it harder to use (up-front) and easier to use (in the long run.) Lots of things seem to fit that pattern. :thinking-emoji:🤔

2022-08-13 19:51:56

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I suspect it is because dependency systems always add transitive dependencies to a namespacing system that isn't designed to support them.
So the instant A depends on B that depends on C1.0.0, and A depends on D that depends on C2.0.0, now A has to either depend on C1.0.0 or C2.0.0. Either way could break something.
Unless the underlying system allows for isolating the two namespaces. (I'm not aware of any that do, but doesn't mean they don't exist.) If any did allow for that isolation, it would make it harder to use (up-front) and easier to use (in the long run.) Lots of things seem to fit that pattern. :thinking-emoji:🤔
🤔
>From: (slaninas) at 08/13/22 14:44:45 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>I wonder why are all the dependency systems broken or annoying to use? Only easy to use and working example I know of is cargo in Rust. But it also has it's downside. Since it's so easy to add dependency, everything has million dependencies.

2022-08-13 17:35:59

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My opinion might evolve, but this might be the first "nostr" problem. The cat is out of the bag, nostr is being developed on, and there seems to be nothing in the standards around how to format and interpret the payload.
Which is awesome if you want to build a BTC transaction system on top of it. But for ordinary microblogging, less so?
This will probably evolve, but we're going to see the most user-friendly and feature-rich clients develop their own standards for the message bodies, and nostr will effectively Balkanize around how clients accomplish text formatting, imaging, etc.
I guess this is solved with EVENT "kind", but kind is...integers, which implies the need for a registry and inevitable conflicts.
(sigh)
Decentralization is hard. nostr is literally repeating the charset "code table" problem in another form.
>From: TrentonZero at 08/13/22 12:28:06 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Ah, the quotes are supposed to go at the bottom.
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>...
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>Who does that?!?
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>>From: TrentonZero at 08/13/22 12:11:16 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>>Hmm, the default more-speech behavior of adding quote blocks on a reply is not ideal for more-speech's own UI. The list view becomes filled with the reply text. This is, of course, only true without a subject, but no one seems to be actually using the subject field.

2022-08-13 17:28:06

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Ah, the quotes are supposed to go at the bottom.
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Who does that?!?
>From: TrentonZero at 08/13/22 12:11:16 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Hmm, the default more-speech behavior of adding quote blocks on a reply is not ideal for more-speech's own UI. The list view becomes filled with the reply text. This is, of course, only true without a subject, but no one seems to be actually using the subject field.

2022-08-13 17:21:03

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Maybe it should be pubkey... @id:8098608c9bb2186c7e70f0ed5c0a02f14547a6c1ccd89e411806bc15fd98581d

2022-08-13 17:19:14

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Okay, obviously I still don't quite know how this works.

2022-08-13 17:18:54

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Another attempt at tagging. @df315d2f04ddfd35c13ea770a997b98560d85f2f0a74216fda0139f434c07617

2022-08-13 17:18:13

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In more speech, should I be seeing my list view as a mix of both threaded-and-non-threaded views? Would a PR providing a config option for picking one view or the other be entertained, or am I missing some productivity hack I should know about?

2022-08-13 17:11:16

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Hmm, the default more-speech behavior of adding quote blocks on a reply is not ideal for more-speech's own UI. The list view becomes filled with the reply text. This is, of course, only true without a subject, but no one seems to be actually using the subject field.

2022-08-13 17:02:30

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>From: TrentonZero at 08/13/22 11:46:41 on wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net
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>Even new social network has to start with a boring "Hello World" test post. This is mine.
Ah, another network without an edit button.
C'est la vie.

2022-08-13 16:46:41

Even new social network has to start with a boring "Hello World" test post. This is mine.