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A similar phenomenon happens to any big-government advocate who tries to open a small business and notices that the State makes it very difficult for you.
there are only so many times you can try to dodge red tape and unnecessary regulations before you start to realize that your interests are not aligned with the top-down forces you find yourself underneath. that's when the cognitive dissonance sets in hard.
maybe I'll see you over on geyser also 😉
I have confidence in his judgement
I'm going to be applying soon 👀👀
unless its me, in which case please leave me alone.
but if you insist on holding my hand during takeoff and landing I'll allow it.
first pull, then subsequently push (and when network changes, repeat).
this is a mouthful though, so they just say the one that sounds cooler
interesting! does the OP get to set minimums or anything like that? or should we expect torrents of 1 sat "gold" replies on notes?
it's that last piece that's the, uh.. hard part..
I've got a sovereign, self-hosted phone pictures solution, but damn was it a pain in the ass to set up and 100% not normie-friendly.
agreed about email though.
😉
https://m.primal.net/QPSi.jpg
this is a great "about" page!
what kind of contributions are you seeking?
Medium of exchange _over time_ == store of value
#nevent1q…5ral
let's just go back to rocks and sticks and shit
pretty retarded, as usual 💪💪
gonna have to prove you're real, too, before that means anything 😉
I want to see bitcoin and gold priced in eachother
what counts as "Bitcoin development"?
As open and permissionless as writing an email to the whole world; except it's up to the recipients if they want to see it in their inbox.
#nevent1q…r5xg
(the "shipping intermediary" use-case. such a trusted 3rd party might keep a reputation ledger of vendors in order to cover their own ass)
one way to handle this skepticism in the future: https://catallax.network/use-cases#privacy-protective-shipping-and-fulfillment
#shopstr 🤝 #catallax
https://i.nostr.build/Tw8WT2LELJfdOcSr.jpg
https://catallax.network
I also don't need a church (or any other institution) in order to make a committment to another person, but point taken.
> It’s best to meet someone young and grow together with them.
Also worth noting that this doesn't require marriage. P2P commitment sans state certificates = 🤌🤌
lol I don't, but I can't control what other people do with open protocols.
It is just dawning on me that the "free agents" in #catallax could very easily be AI agents, the patrons would be human vibe-coders, and the arbiters essentially act as training guides.
or.... give all the participants funded nutsack wallets and AI API keys and everyone in the system could be bots lol
yes that's the whole point 👍
there are plenty of other lower-trust approaches that rely on complex and expensive smart contracts and cannot be reduced to a simple, open protocol. you are welcome to prefer those solutions and not use this one.
the name #catallax is clearly inspired by Hayek's "catallaxy", but I first heard the term not from Hayek but from @nprofile…nevq 's _Praxeology_! so I have him (and @nprofile…gfjm) to thank for that.
https://catallax.network
that's super interesting! I have a little bit about insurance on the Use Cases page, but it was a quick brainstorm.
I invite you to write stuff up like this and I'll post it on the site somewhere!
your support is very much appreciated! this is going to take a villagestr
yep, clients could easily implement basic auditing thanks to nostr's event history. basically zero code. you don't even necessarily need manual, prose reviews - a positive paper trail of pro-social behavior goes pretty far. (of course, implementations could add reviews trivially as well with existing Kinds. this could be a distinguising feature that might attract users to your client)
GrapeRank is the ultimate end goal. but we can get really far with just basic nostr events for a while.
aww... now my notifications are so quiet! (lol)
there are no other likes, boosts, zaps or comments at the time of my writing except for ONE LIKE from hunter :)
oh my god so true. hahaha
@nprofile…nehv is insta-liking every one of my notes.
the npub's profile says "here because I hacked your attention", and it's not wrong lol
the retarded wolves I don't know, but the cat is a male named Ralph 😆
https://i.nostr.build/80bLdG7dXAFChWHk.jpg
https://i.nostr.build/m6z7IFHtCnZYbHQ9.jpg
yes, we will instantiate voluntary "legal" systems. we'll prototype it on Nostr and Bitcoin!
I'm hoping my https://catallax.network is an early probe into this wonderful world.
accidental Softwar hellthread hellyes!
aw man you're a little too early! we'll have a reference implementation of https://catallax.network available in a few weeks and you could have run your bounty over nostr + zaps
good luck! I look forward to seeing the results. both of these apps sound fun
what do you mean? which Oracle problem in this context? in the FOSS example, the project maintainer IS the oracle.
in the simpler/abstract use cases, it relies on trust and reputation (natural reputation at first, then subjective, computed reputation later when GrapeRanknis ready).
"we're trustless assholes", sure, but are you really going to tell me that if @nprofile…28zl acts as an escrow and project arbiter, you won't trust him to not rug? be honest. trust and reputation work, even now with our primitive reputation tools.
THIS is the way.
and the less-rivalrous, less political path.
opt out.
sure, get at it from both ends I guess.
I'm just very cautious to get near the "legislative" angle in Jack's post. "delete it" means engage in zero-sum political games. "ignore it" avoids getting in the mud with the pigs.
we can just ignore it at scale. same thing
It always fucks with me that the most concrete and reliable concepts (logic, math, laws of physics etc.) are the "least real". Makes me skeptical of what we understand the term "real" to mean.
sure, they're not "physical", but they're real. gravity might not be "physical" but it is real and even observable, in a fashion.
oh no.... does this count as an official diagnosis?
ah that makes sense! sorry, I misunderstood your previous note - I thought you meant you wanted to build that sort of thing **into jumble**.
I agree it's nice to see jumble stay narrowly focused
I'm building the first client reference implementation of Catallax.
I would love to help get Catallax event Kinds into Jumble!
We can fund open source software at scale with #callatax.
See the "Open Source Software and Bug Bounties" use case here:
https://catallax.network/use-cases#open-source-software-and-bug-bounties
...did you mean mouse & keyboard vs **gamepad controller**?!
If you end up getting into DF, you'll laugh at how absurd that idea is :)
Ah right, because it's a long-form. what client, btw?
nice, I'll read it, thanks!
also I think you meant to reference the event ID, not the primal sharing link:
#naddr1qq…fkar
trying to fix that with #catallax !
Reminds me of this excellent album
https://i.nostr.build/ieN369mFWLPhlCk6.jpg
lol what?! who is doing this?
honestly even just the templates are extremely valuable lol
I used it a bunch today and learned way more about certain kinds than I ever did before
there are only two redditors
agreed that the arbiter could hold things up or otherwise be Bad in many ways. that's the major trade-off that allows it to be simple and not get into smart contract, timelock or multi-sig land.
all that trust in the arbiter represents saved complexity NOT building trustless flows.
at the end of the day, I think Catallax would be best tightly coupled to #cashu. Take the trust requirements embedded in cashu, take that as the ceiling (and floor) of trust for the entite system, and sort of "clone" that trust to other domains (like the arbiter) to get more robust applications without really introducing new trust requirements.
this is one reason I think there's a good case to be made that the arbiter should also provide a mint. a mint can rug you, and arbiter can rug you... keep that risk in one party rather than multiplying the risk in many places.
yea the "chaining" is a cool idea!
at first this protocol had many many more kinds, and fiatjaf pointed out that "everyone doesn't need to know about all this" and it was an eye-opener. as an application developer, my initial approach was to have a kind for every state transition... but that's silly. you only need events for actions that matter for the paper trail, and in some ways the fewer the better, leaves more flexibility.
this is an absolutely great idea!
I love that people are thinking of **extensions** and more complex features. because it will put pressure on the base protocol to stay simple and extendable with features like this.
for instance, I'm planning on finding ways to integrate kind 9041 crowdfunding events. I haven't deep-dove into 9041 yet, but my assumption is that it's flexible enough to be composed together with my kinds to use Catallax in a crowdfund context.
I would hope that ring signatures would be similar: compose catallax base kinds with ring signature kinds to achieve more robust features without complicating our base kinds themselves.
I'll add this to the FAQ or somewhere else and tag you on it 👍👍
Tell me more. You talking about #cashu mints?
This sounds super appropriate for https://catallax.network #catallax
Working on an "Example Use Cases" section of the explainer site today. this will appear there, as well as some other fun ones like privacy-preserving shipping.
I'll be writing a lot about WoT and reputation in the catallax docs in the near future. Briefly, I think WoT - and subjective approaches like @npub1u5n…ldq3 's GrapeRank in particular - are a necessary component for Nostr to scale to a societally-significant protocol.
Systems like Catallax will really require GrapeRank-like subjective reputation systems if they're to become as valuable to people as I know they have the potential to be.
A fun thing #catallax enables: refundable crowd fund projects (https://nostrbook.dev/kinds/9041).
The arbiter's wallet would be the zap target for crowdfunds (ideally the original crowdfund event would be published by the patron). If the goal is not met, or if the goal is met and the project isn't delivered properly, the arbiter refunds all the donors (automated by a nice client), less their normal fee.
If the project is delivered properly, the sum of all the donations is fat-zapped into the free agent's wallet.
Another much-needed strategy for funding open source projects!
#nevent1q…yfak
Great question! I've got a long (edit: VERY long!), many-pronged answer for you :)
The best answer is that the protocol doesn't enforce this and the three parties involved could choose to do exactly what you're saying. As I fill out the site more I'll be sure to include this important detail, so thanks very much for that.
The arbiter might advertise that they _don't_ judge work and the patron might make clear in their project description that they also work this way. In that case, the agent would send their work directly to the patron and then all three would need to coordinate with the arbiter to get the escrow released to someone.
The only thing the protocol expects is that _the arbiter_ is the one who creates the "job done" event and attests to the final conclusion and escrow release receipt.
There's a tightrope walk between making the protocol too opinionated such that it gets in the way, vs making it so loose that it doesn't provide any tools for consensus.
That said, I personally think keeping the arbiter "in the loop" as a judge is likely to yield better outcomes:
- Domain expertise for adjudication. If an arbiter is only doing dispute resolution, they'll still need to have domain expertise. If the patron and free agent come to the arbiter with a dispute about some implementation detail of a technical system, the arbiter is going to need to understand it to make a decision. By agreeing to judge the work itself, the arbiter is solidifying a promise about their domain expertise.
- It allows for a **patron** who _doesn't_ have domain expertise! Imagine a patron who has a lot of money, likes a particular open source nostr client, but doesn't know a thing about programming. He could request a feature, described in grug-brain language, "me want big blue button here that make picture". This clever patron selects the _high profile developer_ of the open source client as the arbiter. Now we're in interesting territory... The patron gets his button, the agent gets paid, and the arbiter/open source developer basically gets a PR/contribution to review (either to the upstream project or a personal fork for the patron). **He's getting his FOSS project extended without spending any money - in fact he makes money off arbiter fees.**
Sure, maybe this sets up new and bizarre incentives or cheats - but that's part of the fun!
- Last one because I wrote way too much here. The are many specific cases in which it is beneficial for two strangers to have a trusted third party in the loop: one example is "anonymous" shipping. Say I want to buy some stuff off @npub15dc…yv6e but I'm paranoid about leaking my address. Imagine there is a super high-profile and trustworthy arbiter out there who I think is _less likely_ than the vendor to dox me. I create a task to get the product to me (as a patron), with the vendor as the free agent and the trusted "shipping intermediary" as the arbiter. I pay ("escrow") the arbiter for the product, the free agent "does the work" of shipping **to the arbiter**. I've already trusted the arbiter with my address (privately), so they ship the product to me and release the funds to the vendor. I would expect to pay high arbiter fees for this incredible service that I can't get elsewhere!
In the last example, providing some basic protocol features that _allow_ (or at least don't preclude) the arbiter from being deeply in the loop creates opportunities for people to build creative service businesses. I'm sure people will come up with even more surprising ones, and I hope they build custom client apps for their weird things, and I hope they contract out the software work via Catallax.
Happy to keep answering more as you've got them. This is really helpful for me not only as a guide to content the site needs, but in the actual protocol design, which should absolutely be a result of many open discussions!
ah I forgot to reply here also
#nevent1q…calm
one of humanity's few open protocols that matter.
#nevent1q…lzmt
bud I had the exact same experience lol
lol wait! did you see @nprofile…a9q2 's recent note about this same demonic product?!
If you go the steam route, mouse.
if you go OG version, no mouse but a numberpad is kind of crucial. (I've kept numpad keyboards around just for DF!)
it is absolutely the best game ever made, no argument, no question. you should definitely watch some Let's Plays or something like that. all the wacky shit that happens is the best part but it can be hard to discern if you don't know what you're looking at because the UI is so absolutely insane lol
I'd be lying if I said this logo wasn't inspired by hours of Dwarf Fortress recently...
https://vcavallo.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/images/catallax-logo-1-transparent.png
Looks like @npub1q3s…d26p made it: https://gitlab.com/soapbox-pub/nostrbook
WHOA! yea! this is incredible
It's in the FAQ now. Thanks!
third times the charm! worked now
oooo....
are you familiar with bisq2? I'm not but would be open to hearing about it
The multi-sig question is another good one for the FAQ, thanks.
my nutsack is swelling with excitement and escrow zaps. and my grapes are rank(ling)
These kinds are in a NIP I proposed (which is a bit outdated now). it's linked on the site.
You're right, this would be great for multisig. Someone could build that version. I want the base layer to be as simple as possible - and if we leave multisigs out of it we get #cashu nutsack wallets for new users on day one.
(cc @npub12rv…85vg )
yep! and in a perfectly pseudonymous world, if we have GrapeRank or another reputation system, you could get the same after some history of pro-social action on the protocol.
(or even without those automated systems, clients could try to show histories nicely)
You made it to the FAQ :)
https://catallax.network/faq
Been talking to @npub1u5n…ldq3 about it. Getting GrapeRank in here is top of my priority list.
Ah, something for the FAQ!
The Patron and the Arbiter agree together and the Patron seals the deal by funding the escrow.
You are right about this though: in the most anonymous mode, a single human can pretend to be two different roles (Patron + Arbiter) and trick a Free Agent into submitting work and then "refunding" the money (back to himself).
With a proper reputation system this scam won't last long - maybe one or two low-paying gigs.
But if someone is operating NON-100% anonymously, it would be obvious. If I, Vinney, am the Patron, and, say, @npub1l2v…ajft is the Arbiter, we clearly are different people.
ah shit! I just tried again with no luck. fountain wallet haunted maybe?
as promised:
#nevent1q…t6xy
BTW its this
https://catallax.network
this is happening. #catallax
https://catallax.network
#nevent1q…f875
I love this concept! we need more "regular person" (sorry for assuming) podcasts.
added this one to my queue! looking forward to checking it out.
watch out! the replies here are trying to charm you!
and open up dozens of others
looks relevant: https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/run-a-nostr-relay-as-tor-hidden-service-on-openbsd/
my (maybe limited) understanding of hidden services is that it's sort of the opposite: from the outside, they are found by public key, and once the request hits the tor layer on the server, its routed to the local (normal) webserver to satisfy the request. and the response goes back the other way.
Still trying to figure out how this works wrt relay clearweb URLs and how that connects to hidden services...
Are you saying this would be running on the machine that runs the relay? So that Tor traffic can find the relay?
Does the client UI then need to open websockets to the Tor URL, rather than the clearweb URL?
What's the deal with Tor and Nostr relays? Do relays need to do anything special in order to be accessed from a web client that is loaded in Tor browser?
> Hayek derived the word Catallax from the Greek verb "katallasso" (καταλλάσσω) which meant not only "to exchange" but also "to admit in the community" and "to change from enemy into friend."
ifykyk
This is one of the things I'll answer on the aforementioned site.
"Briefly": both the task assigner (Patron) and the worker (Agent) necessarily trust the escrow holder (Arbiter). The Patron pays the job fee into the escrow by literally just sending the Arbiter the money, once the Arbiter agrees to the transaction.
Once the Arbiter has the money, the Agent works the job and submits it. the Arbiter assess the work.
If the Arbiter deems it satisfactory, he pays the fee to the Agent. If the work is bad (or never happens), he refunds the fee to the Patron. In either case, the Arbiter takes his cut.
Both the Patron and Agent need the Arbiter to be honest, or else one of them gets screwed. The Arbiter _could_ just abscond with the funds. This is a very good way to never get chosen as an Arbiter again!
You start to see why GrapeRank (especially negative reputation) is going to be the killer feature for this - and why this is the killer app for GrapeRank ;)
Let me know if you have other questions; going to sleep now but will answer tomorrow!
ps: yes, this could all be done with complicated lightning escrows or other smart contracts or whatever. But my contention here is that those are overwrought and make proper decentralization more difficult and more costly. Normal human trust is a massive efficiency gain - and having a portion of it be automated/computed with GrapeRank is the unlock for scaled systems or ones where you're dealing with people a few hops removed from you.
Where we're going, we don't need smart contracts!
all nyms are sexless.
are least until OnlyNyms drops...
hey!!
I'm putting together an explainer site that should answer any common questions and provide a roadmap and place for people to join the discussion about it. should be up tomorrow sometime, I'll update here.
the goal is for this to be packaged up into a service that anyone can easily deploy so that many markets may bloom.
if I have my way by the end of development, Catallax markets will have cashu mints in the loop such that any new user automatically has a nutsack wallet. upshot: any ol person on earth can permissionlessly create a nym with a wallet and instantly join the fun.
can't wait to see what happens with this
nice! I'm looking forward to it
when do the trust podcasts episodes come out?
tickrs was the missing piece for me, thanks!
tickrs in tmux in alacritty in awesome-wm pane in a split on monitor 1/n lol
only if you have a limited number of torsos like some kind of loser
omgggg what is this CLI app? 🤤🤤 need
I'm working on something that might be extremely complementary. it would be in the "organize/incentivize the labor and get people paid (for doing the vibecoding properly) direction.
feel free to DM if you want to discuss it
it would actually be incredible if you hardcoded penalized npubs into the source code
Oh yea that works, too. different tactics for different levels of depth-of-despair
Does rocking back and forth while softly moaning because programming is hell count?
By "mind body connection" during a break you mean "2 hour Dwarf Fortress black hole", right?
it's actually one of the greatest feelings
or removed from the language
*opened my laptop to continue working but FIRST refreshed nostr....
gentle suggestion to turn off audio autoplay on that demo site :)
Wow, incredible timing! I just opened my laptop to continue on hypermedia-style Nostr client. HTML FTW
Tails with persistence mode, but it's sort of the opposite of what it's intended for, honestly... Still a decent solution though. But I'd recommend you embrace more of the amnesiac mode and use an external USB drive for persistent data.
lol mindreader! (see original note)
oh great now I want to play solo tabletop RPGs...
lol @nprofile…75w5 this is what happens when I reply on a note without checking the other replies first
https://i.nostr.build/6lBwzPLk9msApyN0.jpg
WAT?! Rand is a real person?!
aaaa we should have brainstormed about this at MIT. my company is working on a "web browser" as a Trojan horse application platform like you're describing.
what the hell? summer is coming!!
I sent you 50! you know what to do
The Bitcoin revolution is this: it allows people to focus solely on what they care about without worrying about losing their wealth.
The fiat clown world needs you to try to financialize everything, to get stuck in the media doom loop, to compare yourself to others, to engage in zero-sum games and many other hamster wheel of death activities that keep people enslaved to forces outside of themselves.
If Bitcoin remains secure and decentralized, your stack is kept safe, and you DCA whatever you can afford, that's it. You're done. You can safely ignore everything clown world would demand of you and instead do the thing that threatens it the most: **Whatever YOU care about.** with whoever you cherish and in whatever manner you see fit.
Coercive clown world cannot survive if people follow their own desires. it requires you to be wrapped up in its bullshit so that it can suck your blood forever.
"Stack sats" seems like such a simple message. and it is. and that simplicity is precisely its revolutionary characteristic.
In a world of tumult and chaos, to be a simple rock that refuses to move is the most significant act.
not even the 90s. watch a TV show from 2011 and you'll be shocked at how race was treated.
being a Bitcoin stoic is so refreshingly boring.
there's just one thing to do. you automate that and then go on with the rest of your life.
that's the real unlock of Bitcoin. it gives people their agency back without risk of losing their wealth.
was anyone else waiting for him to just keep going with the elbow and smash the entire glass jar to pieces?
I'll try to look at it more and will keep it in mind as I come across other people working on similar stuff.
I'm not some super important, well-connected person, but I'll help if I can
I don't see the need when we can leverage human trust/reputationand basic protocols for so much.
also, there are tons of smart contract solutions out there already. this is an alternative. plus a cheaper, simpler, more open and extednable protocol. If someone wanted to add a smart contract layer on top of this and repackage it as a new system, they could.
smart contracts imply barriers to entry and external dependencies. the world has enough of those already.
looks a bit over-wrought and prescribed at first glance. I'm more interested in bottoms up organization from small pieces and thin protocol layers.
I'm making some significant changes right now after feedback on the NIP and to deeply integrate #cashu via nutsack wallets (goal being zero setup and perfect anonymity for new users), but this is a decent overview still: https://github.com/vcavallo/catallax-ui
let me know if you have any questions or suggestions !
I'm using it as an actual tactical guide 😉
"Okay, I'm building a protocol that is intended to enable markets and private arbitration, I have design questions... ask David!"
it is?
https://i.nostr.build/N3tFa6IXj5LWgIrS.jpg
I've read it.
It's not something that interests me. sorry; good luck
The Machinery of Freedom. David Friedman
https://i.nostr.build/SEm3SYQwPXNa7zvQ.jpg
I got that impression - but only lightly 😉
I'm going the other way. putting the agent back in the escrow (and removing all panels of developers, voting, programmed escrow, smart contracts, etc). I'll look into Resolvr though, thanks!
I sincerely appreciate the enthusiasm 🤝 and look forward to showing it off in the next few weeks.
you have rare text editor synesthesia
I'm about 70% done with a bounty marketplace over nostr. I've gotta rework the NIP a bit after I got some good feedback from fiatjaf and then I need to add the lightning/nutsack integration.
come to nostr for the memes, stay for the mercenary work opportunities 🏴
when it gets a bit further along I'd appreciate getting your 👀 on it as well!
like, are there only a handful of people on earth who realize this at this moment? and an even smaller group who recognise what obscene alpha that is?! hahahahha
this is one of my favorite books
cc @nprofile…fccs
I know what you mean. Particularly cashu+nostr. the idea that I can build an app that any user can sign up for permissionlessly, no KYC, and start getting paid immediately in an uncensorable and unregulateable manner... the world is not ready for this!!
but it can pick **yours** (or more likely: get you to do it without you realizing why you did it).
Scott Alexander is always attached to these sites that have a particular kind of very satisfying, clear and simple UX
I'm building a bounty marketplace over nostr and it's going to be incredible
I spent some time with Terry this weekend at #MITBitcoinExpo and he's great! I'm also excited and confident with this project in his hands 🤌
exit exit exit. reconsolidate and reinvest
fair. I'm still going to continue following him, though. how will we know if he changes his ways otherwise?
WoT shouldn't work on follows, anyway. I should be able to follow someone in order to see their notes, whether I trust them deeply or hate and distrust them entirely. it just means I want to see their notes. we need better ways to represent reputation and trust that aren't follow-related (ahem, grape rank, cough cough @nprofile…wwcj)
my most charitable reading is that the account in question is not a native English speaker, probably over-uses LLMs and emojis, and might have engaged in some questionable practices in the past but is not a "scammer".
no Ryan is saying the Italian flag guy is the scammer, not Mahdood.
tbc I don't think either are.
lol fun. I re-followed you now.
this is fun.
I don't agree this is "censorship", but it's ... something.
I get it. there are tradeoffs to most scaling solutions. ecash is clearly over the "custodian" line on scaling tradeoffs.
I boosted this because it's a cool idea, but it bugs the hell outta me that you spelled ecash wrong
in this case it's about liveness specifically
gonna need them in the aftermath, no?
if you're talking about what I think you are I watched it last night
this is all really clearing it up, thanks 🤣
I'll go read some mythology
check out this talk from @nprofile…vtyn yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TsVRZeyiAY
can you more narrowly define Ragnarok....? 😬
tariffs are coercion/theft
yea I think so.
one off the wall anonymous option: find an abandoned building with an address (or like one address in a big industrial park) and use that, then pick up your package when you see it delivered
UPS takes shipments to their location for a small monthly fee. agreed there's no good solution though, I've been thinking about this a bunch lately
oh wow you're right. am squirrel
lol I clicked the link and found some sats from 2 months ago.
so "yes" I guess I have tried nutstash - and on this device
disgaree. they're the "zaps are better than likes" signal with the least cost
the common understanding of "E pluribus unum" is wrong.
It's about the individual emerging from the collective.
you realize that's not a picture of the entire auditorium, right?
hey it's that @nprofile…qft7 guy at #MITBitcoinExpo
https://i.nostr.build/Cf03iR4cRo80xDXr.jpg
yea absolutely. implicit in his answer is the contradiction that both individuals should be able to decide what they want to hide from their government, but also that they have to submit to regulation mandating the opposite.
GM
Day 2 of the #MITBitcoinExpo. see you there
I also diagree with him. I was glad that by the end he actually got to the heart of our difference: he doesn't believe a flourishing, complex society can sustain itself without these guardrails. I feel exactly the opposite - the guardrails preclude distributed flourishing.
there's still tomorrow. come on out! I'll bring the cashews
nothing too exciting or surprising. "companies typically don't beat the S&P, business school teaches the status quo, do something different."
I didn't stay in the room for the second corporate adoption talk.
asking this question was exciting though:
#nevent1q…0n5j
all the Bitcoin core dev stuff was incredible though! I had some side talks with people about #cashu, too 👍
Here's my question: https://youtu.be/TqxDr_SjAgg?t=18747
I was glad I had my silk road shirt on for this one ;)
#nevent1q…zds2
( @nprofile…nr6j you asked me to tag you)
I have so much fucking appreciation for @Knut_Svanholm_∞/21M @npub1jt9…la9y and @npub1fk8…cwld repping theism skepticism this well and hard in the Bitcoin space
https://fountain.fm/episode/i2q9qgfovwjHLNhDGCJ8
#nevent1q…fqvl
might be rewindable here? I haven't checked yet
https://www.youtube.com/live/TqxDr_SjAgg
https://www.youtube.com/live/TqxDr_SjAgg
@nprofile…8lp0 up now for a discussion on address poisoning attacks
#MITBitcoinExpo
https://i.nostr.build/KEGDBa2VIjUsMc3S.jpg
I asked him: "What is your message to individuals and collectives who do not consent to being regulated and choose to use private and peer to peer systems to get around that?"
his answer was too long to transcribe here but I'll post the video when it's up.
#nevent1q…raq0
I asked him a very hard question.
What the fuck is going on here? #MITBitcoinExpo
https://i.nostr.build/ZH6xvKeBtEgJVFDA.jpg
https://mitbtcexpo.org/index.html
not sure where. @nprofile…vptu seemed to be watching it
fellow bread and cookie disrespectoors at #MITBitcoinExpo, there are secret forks near the closed snack bar thing
https://i.nostr.build/gdyjIKqp6IpsKgTG.jpg
Ah yea, this platform. I like it, but I'd like it even more if the bounties weren't centrally-hosted nor required a KYC login (github).
Time for me to double-down focus on Catallax...
Ah, I see it now, thanks!
I can't see this referenced event :/
Strategy up next. weird followup to Tadge's incredible hornet's nest talk :)
https://i.nostr.build/KTnQZbBNZ3Vqw9bG.jpg
https://dci.mit.edu/dci-news/2022/8/24/the-mit-digital-currency-initiative-bids-farewell-to-tadge-dryja
Tadge Dryja
https://dci.mit.edu/dci-news/tag/Tadge+Dryja
you watching the livestream ?
@nprofile…qmrf @nprofile…pyug and @nprofile…wca6 having a fireside chat at #MITBitcoinExpo
https://i.nostr.build/eUZ92RVgmMciDDNv.jpg
turns out at least a few nostriches aren't bots. I'm in the same room as some of them now.
the scale is one day, presumably 24 hours.
many different people can stream various numbers of hours per day. same for discrete tinder swipes.
looking forward to the "fireside chat" today!
I'll be using it immediately after!
yes. and I want the next microclient I see to be a cross platform native app.
https://brainstorm.ninja/#/about
@nprofile…wwcj
perhaps the @nprofile…828g account should automatically repost any note posted via the app?
I'm dying over here my god hahahhaha
Wait until he finds out about the kind of humans that humans created.
GM
#nevent1q…0kz2
the ears should be outside the hat
I assume they're talking about the financial system
well, I resent being a "bard" (and I'm not even going to get into the Charlatan part 😥), but True Neutral is legit. and the stats probably aren't far off. I lift weights, but having a small frame does put a ceiling on my max strength grumble grumble
https://i.nostr.build/d2Bk699LLdXZfK9b.jpg
remind me the URL of this thing?
I just found a memory leak in my Awesome-WM configuration that was causing state to accumulate every time I changed window focus across physical screens. It seemed suspicious that Awesome was using **4.3GB** of RAM this morning. Reloading Awesome knocked it down to 65MB, but it steadily grew as I changed window focus.
One line fix and now it's staying at 65MB.
Why the hell would I want to switch to Mac OS when I can have fun experiences like this?
whoa wait another h.r. giger post. (see my previous note on your braided hair joke)
good idea.
HEY IRS MAX HAS A BUNCH OF GOLD IN HIS BASEMENT!
just doing my part :)
You know how "if it's 'free', you're the product"?
Now apply that rationale to "free" State-provided services.
GM
if they weren't, nobody would pay to send kids to them 😃
this was enacted as a "national emergency"!?
a handful of sats a month which takes actual decades to pay back.
not complaining, I have and love one.
Yea agreed, the entire point of posting on an open social protocol is that other people will see it and potentially reply. If we wanted to be fully isolated, we'd write in a diary. If we wanted to have a private conversation, we'd use a private messenger.
If people don't chime in on nostr, it defeats the whole purpose!
Produce and bulk foods, either traveling around or parked every few days in a part of town that doesn't have easy access to grocery stores. Yes, absolutely!!
LOL I can see that. Now that I'm looking at him he does sorta look like a close cousin hahaha
Cool yea, I'm aware of those - I wasn't sure how njump fit in, but now I see it's about rendering highlight events - very nice! :
https://njump.me/nevent1qgsza748zkamgmw4he4hm2xhwqpxd5gkwju38wqh3twmtshx8kv8xvgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qgnwaehxw309amk7apww468smewdahx2tcpzemhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrfw3jhxtn0wfnj7qpqcyml6cnzqvedv24g3hgt4rkwgr79ekjxgwe00n5l3hyu3xtp4p0qjktgdd
It's not always so easy to _find_ the highlight nevent ID. In particular, they don't appear on an npub's njump profile page, which is (now) a natural place I'd expect to see them given this announcement.
I noticed you did this and I was happy about it 😎
this is so stupid I love it
I have absolutely no idea
hey, you used my appropriate pronouns, thanks! 🫂
hummus is good. especially homemade
I have. I'm much more interested in lightning micropayments at the moment
all three! peanut butter affogato
also: its crunchy peanut butter, not smooth.
I think it's the texture, yea. the lower I get in the cup the more it's kind of a slippery sludge.
I noticed yesterday that washing down a spoonful of peanut butter with some black coffee was pretty delicious. but I'm not convinced it transfers this way lol
what do you find interesting about it?
I just mixed peanut butter into coffee and I can't tell if it's incredible or I hate it.
GM?
knock on the wall and the dog will jump up and run to the door. problem solved with minimal willpower expense required
honestly looks like a janky piece of shit. and EV owners don't want an ICE in the mix - it means maintenance, which EV seekers are actively avoiding.
this is comparing apples and oranges
paying for anonymous AI interactions on @nprofile…35fm with sats from nostr zaps 🤌🤌
this is living
No reason to bid anyone up. You just put up however much you trust that person with. It's not a contest.
so rather than just a single flat "orange check", its arbitrary "checks" with multiple npubs (with different values per)
in case you weren't aware, you can set swipe left/right to apps like phone
oh damn nice, welcome to the club! It's good here
how about my npub locks tokens to OTHER npubs. and when I do that for an npub which represents a group or community, I'm signalling my trust in that community.
not if the individuals involved don't choose for it to be.
city-states is better than states, but you still haven't gone down far enough. keep going...
once you hit the individual, stop. and then let them confederate up from there.
sure. but when we realize that most jobs are lower skill, it's doubly-disruptive.
because an enormous number of jobs are displaced and we realize how many people are low-skill.
#nevent1q…g5gc
even without banks, democracy is a system where a majority gets to rule over a minority.
that's a flaw but it's not THE major flaw.
this is the major flaw:
https://i.nostr.build/zvpap8GwjoM9yJ18.jpg
it's the urbit sigil again
I saw your note directly after I posted mine
#nevent1q…2dm5
data persistence was a mistake.
everything should just be in memory.
I honestly don't know if this is an April Fool's day quip
I just pasted the nevent or note ID. most clients will render that as an embed/reference, while the Primal share link takes you out to the primal web app.
it's using the nostr protocol in a more openly-compatible manner vs an arbitrarily proprietary manner (I'm personally not a fan of the latter and a richer ecosystem depends on leaning towards the former)
don't use the primal link, it's stupid.
#nevent1q…uvr6
I take agreements between trusted parties very seriously. even if they aren't formalized in "legal contracts".
"I never put it in writing" is on the spectrum of bullshit. putting it in writing is **better**, but failing to do so does not make the agreement invalid.
was she walking downest the street?
using a smartphone has never been this lovely
what makes you believe this isn't a bot? because it said so?
https://i.nostr.build/pgZ9xSfeXbRQTkYw.jpg
once per WEEK?! wow, I guess I don't just "live here"... I might be partislly mixed into the concrete.
yet nobody talks about it...
well it's okay because this is imaginary stuff. we have a long tradition of making up stories and realizing them in various media, like books and trading cards.
nothing to be afraid of.
Primal isn't going to give you that option. for obvious reasons.
what do you mean by "that amount of range"? and what temperature are you referring to?
exactly. the ideal case is providers hold zero liability
oh wow same here. tidy yet feature rich
whatchu buildin over der, bobby?
“HTTP _path_“ (not "standard" in that last line, right?)
I just zapped you. must be sending on your side?
oh stupid NWC daily limit. fixing
except completely subjective when done right, so not at all like the version of social credit scores people tend to worry about.
If you do this within the next like 10 minutes or less I'll send back. if you hit me after that I'll send tomorrow
who's the culprit? want to make sure I stop following them, if I am
pasting ecash tokens to magically transfer value never gets old
#nevent1q…f22q
what's the issue with digital ocean?
I'm what is known as "the worst"
except it usually doesn't end up with zero code at the end of the day.
it usually ends up with some designer making pixel-perfect desktop designs and then a sad programmer having to reverse engineer it into mobile-first layout.
there were a bunch of these drones protesting at a dealership across the street from a place I'm temporarily staying at the moment.
there is a bunch of sidewalk chalk aftermath about "Nazis" and "war crime tribunals".
these people are very confused.
I overheard some moron at a cafe today telling his friend that all the federal defunding is "the definition of fascism".
🤭
#cashu #ecash
https://i.nostr.build/Etl0MkdbCuag10KR.jpg https://i.nostr.build/JxDfV0RnaXhICoGU.jpg
definitely have no idea what you're talking about
but you're talking about things that are a shitcoin. and saying the definition is if you can't work on it yourself.
what makes a shitcoin? how would it apply to cars? hearts? trees?
I'll get on that right away once I can get this automatic ATM machine to accept my personal PIN number so I can get my united states USD dollars out to go party
try and service your heart by yourself real quick.
the human body is a shitcoin.
try and service your SSD by yourself.
digital storage media are a shitcoin.
try and service a redwood by yourself.
big beautiful old trees are a shitcoin.
I could go on. this argument is nonsensical
yea! its waiting on me. I said I'd get you a PO Box and I've been dragging my feet on it.
looking forward to this and a couple other nostr orders :)
lol yes I completely agree! (it must be you who is the asshole. im so nice)
fuck, I messed up the zap split. I'll send any I get over to TK
zap this man! He's out at 6am stocking your shelves and stacking sats
#nevent1q…grqd
https://v.nostr.build/9GG0Metuwndm1i2t.mp4
we'll just have to make
"a few people paying for subscriptions" + "everyone keeps their full time jobs and contributes to this stuff on the side"
work for a little while longer as we push through this phase change. there's no other choice.
overlay the money supply chart over this if you want to have a good laugh.
https://i.nostr.build/OVsDH8cfAzQc64UV.jpg
it's not obviously better. yours has the advantage of being tidy and direct. I got the point of yours immediately and took away "hm there was a vague something similar to this on the edge of my mind and Chris just crystalized and packaged it. nice! a new artifact for my thoughts".
...while I'm still reading this (very good) citadel21 piece and I suspect the takeaway will be identical but with a lot more time invested.
my comment here is similar to the thrust of these pieces. if the idea is totally new to you, you probably need the long one. the more info-symmetrical you are with the thesis, the less you need.
the general pattern here is cool. this is why communities can go from reading and discussing entire books to eventually communicating effectively in-group in single-frame memes.
...and if you and I shared a term for this above concept I could have saved a lot of letters and just dropped a reaction gif 🤣
"tomorrow is yesterday" and we wonder why people think nostr is weird
funny until it's not funny
and I thought I've been waking up early
#nevent1q…a8ze
@nprofile…quzg you in here yet?
https://github.com/dpc/rostra
> No relays. Actually p2p.
> Abandons JS, embraces Rust and Unix tech.
I'm not going to lie to you and say these aren't things that make me happy
more security than privacy, but what don't you like about GrapheneOS ?
how is Ross getting the message out that eBay is ghosting him? use the same channel to say "this is my npub and nip05". problem solved
web of trust is necessary and sufficient
I can almost make it out... I don't know, something about an alien invasion..?
WTF why doesn't he do it on nostr? get a nip05, sell shit, fanbois will carry you
#nevent1q…tee5
the sound quality is so bad I can't even tell
there's a reason the government has such a sore spot for the mafia...
don't totally sideline mafias though.
they're just tightly-knit, high-trust, voluntary communities with strong defenses and local currencies. a little too outwardly aggressive, typically, but otherwise good models.
of course, nostr isn't (yet) peer to peer. but the concept still applies
double dig is the opposite of that. you essentially set aside the upper layer, till the lower layer, and put the upper layer back. this aerates the whole stack without disturbing the layers and simulates natural upper->lower migration on a sort of accelerated schedule.
usually you would spread a layer of compost over everything before even starting that process, to encourage a little of it to "accidentally" migrate down a bit
open protocols are dark forests
#nevent1q…eg0r
you looking for contributions anywhere?
no that's a vanity npub about milk
last one got mangled
#nevent1q…wprv
my head has been in a similar place recently. I've got a longer bit of writing on this that isn't fully fleshed out yet
#nevent1q…q0rv
#nevent1q…nk5e
#nevent1q…wprv
yep this was my exact problem. thanks for posting it
if you find one embedded somewhere the "add" button becomes "remove"
what relays do you send them to?
what are you talking about, I drink refined elemental iodine every morning
so how do you post notes?
me rn
https://i.nostr.build/AlWTAGRYja48UD8I.jpg
questions like: why does this guy look like such a turd?
that makes sense. what about "double dig" where you essentially "put the soil structure back" after loosening lower layers?
There was a UI bug in Amethyst that prevents scrolling to the very bottom of the reaction packs when they overflow the screen. I'll report it.
I removed a pack so I could access doze nutz tho
in theory I can, too, but I can scroll to the bottom of the set in amethyst 🤌
oh no! I have too many for amethyst to display now and I can't scroll all the way down to the cashu
20 years from now just you and me in the CLI with all the other clients dead
wrong circles. nostr better than ever lately
I'll have to go back to my previous posting rate.
I'm sorry, workplace and family.
you're kind of a one-trick pony, eh?
god yes.
I hope I'm not misattributing a person's writing to an LLM, but that was the original thing that set me off about the original note. @nprofile…he9x totally changed my mind with his response and the actual demo video. but the feeling of that original note really did something to me and I don't exactly understand why.
I don't typically quote notes with negative comments and I feel bad about it now. it awakened some irrational and reactionary robot hate that I wasn't totally aware was living down there 😅
completely agree and it sucks
AI tools for bullshit tasks and low-level code generation I'm very much into for now.
but I am increasingly intolerant of "music", "art", and marketing text or other public messaging or writing generated by AI.
do you see my point though?
how is this a complaint about robosats and not about the fiat world?
I take it back. I was being a ridiculous grump and this is very cool.
I need more coffee.
all zaps here go to two of the devs
#nevent1q…k8xw
The issue is mostly that I'm a curmudgeon.
you had me up until the last line 😉
a starting point:
https://robosats.org/watch/en/
that's not a robosats problem, it's a fiat digital infrastructure problem.
you could use robosats to organize an in-person cash transaction that the fiat overlords don't know about. But if you insist on using one of the various digital rails available to you then yes, you're going to incur whatever surveillance exists on those rails.
sorry but this is some dystopian-sounding stuff... the LLM-generated pitch is depressingly generic.
I wish the developer luck and all, but this is definitely not for me. AIs are for menial labor I prefer not to do and I like to keep them there.
#nevent1q…4qkp
Um, everyone cannot NOT do it.
The US cannot grow its way out of inflation because technology - the growth vehicle - is deflationary. the only way to outrun tech's deflation is to grow the money supply.
Or... what other avenues are there for extreme growth without relying on deflationary tech...? Frightening thought.
GM
how does one lift the veil ?
what's the next question I'm going to ask?
what's some text that will never appear in a note you post on nostr?
it's the "technical term" from discrete math or topology.
you're right though, could swap in "network" and it would maybe be clearer. but the term "network" is a bit overloaded in people's minds, too.
fucking missed it. I want in next time
https://i.nostr.build/sF7ZyXrM5ppnRUZR.jpg
it's better to fade away than to burn out.
I prefer not to risk torching principles in the quest for a brightly-burning fire.
Rather: nurture a few embers under a slow, careful roast. If you can cook the dish fully before the coals are expended, you'll have a satisfying and nutririous dish rather than a heap of ash.
you can feel free to swap in whatever aesthetic entitity that captures the feeling for you :)
In a purely peer-to-peer network of disconnected graphs, each consisting of multiple isolated components, you don't - can't - know who else is out there. There's a **Dark Forest** element that ignites a sort of primal intensity which you can choose to funnel into creativity and innovation.
Said another way: p2p disconnected graphs are fucking metal.
https://i.nostr.build/Dm29faISOYGHa6Ff.gif
lightning payments in the Square PoS would be nice
nobody is bullish enough.
Liechtenstein allows communities to "opt out" of the monarchy and join Switzerland if they want, right? as I understand it, none have chosen to do this yet.
I disagree with a lot of what you're saying, agree with some of it. But either way I'm glad you've decided to adopt this protocol! I hope you enjoy it.
"inspired by" or literally tracing ...?
how do you feel about Switzerland's relationship with Liechtenstein ?
if you press "no" it just undoes the error and works correctly. serious UX innovation
yep.
lately I've been thinking that every project should start from day 1 with a fully pseudonymous team.
it's a sad state of affairs, but that doesn't make it any less apt.
"monetization" appears to be incommensurate with the neutrality of the authors.
surprise, surprise.
I barely disagree with anything there, but this is a very different angle now.
it seems you agree/capitulate that a properly decentralized protocol where the original authors have zero control over what people do with it and don't provide any services or take any fees renders them legally safe. but not "safe safe".
sure, agreed. nothing can insure your physical safety from extra-legal means aside from perfect anonymity (see: satoshi. and even then maybe not...)
right. so don't do it.
don't provide hosted services for user-created data....
am I the crazy one? this seems very simple and natural for open protocols
these nyms are already burned in that case.
are you aware of cases where a software author who didn't also provide a central/hosted service or make money on "protocol fees" got charged with anything? Phil Zimmerman is the closest I can think of and he beat it and set the standard.
tornado, samurai, wikileaks, etc, these were all victims to the obvious mistakes I'm describing. you don't need corporate "liability protection" if you take on zero liability.
we have a magical decentralized internet with magical encryption and privacy tools and magic internet money. choose magic land. playing with the hogs in the corporate / legal pig pen is going to get you covered in mud.
just let the users host their own shit and take on the risk if they desire. DECENTRALIZE, ya know? don't be the service provider AND the software author, just be the latter and let the users provide the service.
this lesson has been learned over and over by the various freedom projects that attempted to run centralized indexers or fee-taking services.
bananas and dates are pretty good for early morning pre-run fuel.
but the rest of this list is a hard pass for me
I got you for Monday, too.
seems to be popping up everywhere lately. I wonder whose wheels they greased
yes absolutely that's kinda the whole point! what client?
I see nothing wrong here except maybe a lack of avocado and spinach
are you friends also coyotes or other kinds of animals?
what paperwork? don't have paperwork lol
what are their patpees? I most likely know them.
see if they know ~sogrum-savluc
we tried to build our thing on urbit for a year. urbit couldn't support it at the time so we switched tech stacks. some people didn't like this about us, but we were trying to be pragmatic :)
millions of tiny personal archives can be profitable for the millions of individuals running them. in the short term, the legal grey zone provides a cap to the size and centralization of an archive. providing a few "formerly paywalled" sites at a 100x lower fee (or free) to a small network is probably obscure enough to fly under the radar and hide in the forest of others doing the same.
oh if that's what he's saying then yea I agree. or something like agreement.
before we changed our name, my company used to be called Vaporware 🤭 https://vaporware.network/
yea I get being nervous about that. but i think it's fine. discussing piracy is not itself piracy. and the form we're talking about here: taking a (maybe) public document and removing metadata from it for alternate storage... that's a pretty toothless form of piracy. no different than printing a web page
sure that might still violate some publisher's TOS but again, discussing speculative TOSes and their bending is safe.
either way, let the record show I brought it up this time, I made the connection (in this thread) to Alexandria, and I insisted it was okay to talk about. not trying to force your npub into opining on it 👍
do you have to overthink which direction is correct...?
I don't understand this last note as it relates to mine
yea these were the lines I was thinking along as well. "undo" the garbage that makes "modern" web pages cease being valid hypermedia **documents**.
for non-gibberish pages, they'll work just fine. for overly-modern monstrosities, a best attempt will be made, but either way they'll all be brought onto the same playing field and protocol
why would something like this have to be kept secret?
I'm curious why the legal wormhole is your problem? if users self-host their own relays and run the software themselves, it's their problem if they do that sort of content extraction, right?
yup. I'd like to talk to you guys about the HTML archive stuff Silb mentioned a few weeks back.
#nevent1q…dvtl
#nevent1q…npme
In the simulation, yes. in reality, no.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu
anyone interested in finishing the job?
its official, as of this image: the internet is conclusively fixed.
everyone pack up and go home
who else is going to #BitcoinMIT aside from the speakers @nprofile…qmrf , @nprofile…vjal , @nprofile…pyug , @nprofile…qy52
?
already got my tickets :P
well that settles it. I was on the fence until now.
https://i.nostr.build/Sck3MIaDjrJB14NT.jpg
I'd be driving :)
be there or be square
I've been considering going anyway for a few weeks, but this definitely nudges me a lot harder
I can get there in about an hour or two.
lol what the fuck is this world
oh god, yes! such an underrated series
hungrier people are more creative
all aboard the #hypermedia train
we're starting a fan club / thinktank, Paul. hop in! #hypermedia
Artisinal, handcrafted HTML. Don't you dare even tab-complete. 🤌
I'm currently looking into the Rust options for #hypermedia templating
(also establishing a hashtag because it seems like it's time for a schelling point)
@nprofile…3ra5
I'm interested in the next one!
how could "no censorship" work any other way? what kind of system would guarantee that every person in existence hears your speech?
for what its worth, I also prefer true p2p networks where each user has/is a node/server.
but I have an even stronger preference for open protocols and I haven't yet seen a p2p network that a considerable number of people care about and use daily that is ALSO built as an open protocol.
I have some ideas for slowly increasing the ratio of relays:npubs on nostr... it might not ever get to 1:1
😎😎
https://zapmeacoffee.com/npub19ma2w9dmk3kat0nt0k5dwuqzvmg3va9ezwup0zkakhpwv0vcwvcsg8axkl
#nevent1q…ua30
Bitcoin price is so weirdly stagnant lately that nostr doesn't even talk about it.
interesting points, but if I'm being brutally honest your improvement suggestions have to be taken with a grain of salt given that you're not really up to speed on the protocol... fair?
keep them guessing as to whether or not you're crazy enough to actually do the crazy thing you just said
I understand where you're coming from. But HTML (and even a little CSS) are actually great. It's excessive javascript and JSON APIs that dissolve the document that are the culprits in my book.
https://hypermedia.systems/hypermedia-a-reintroduction/
yea it seems to be an explicit response/evolution of gopher
anyone following me know about the gemini protocol ?
https://geminiprotocol.net/
there is this: @nprofile…ntld
it is phenomenonal in direct sunlight.
there has been some flak about its privacy policy... but make your own decisions
the "news cycle" lingers on a topic just long enough to set in motion some rough (opposing) vibes with the various camps but not long enough to actually establish anything conclusive.
this should be seen as highly suspicious; as an obvious attack on social cohesion.
is rehypothifitcation incoming?
you can look into anti-glare films, but it's more of an issue with how LCD/LED screens work and you'll never be able to use one in direct sunlight. the same reason you can't see the beam of a weak flashlight at midday outside.
sun too stronk
I want to smear the Wayback Machine across the nostr protocol.
lol I remember that show.
Replay via relay
no.
don't burn Teslas.
don't call arsonists terrorists.
don't send Americans to El Salvador prisons.
and don't burn Teslas.
#nevent1q…qw9d
👍👍
even better when we decentralize it
signature attached
https://i.nostr.build/fMQqYL2J0iwo31wo.jpg
let's put the P in Relay
(just before the L)
https://i.nostr.build/eDcVXOy2tpah3fTf.jpg
this is why I said up early, to see notes like this when they're fresh and hot
#nevent1q…akrs
that sounds incredible! did you end up with any learnings from it, beyond the technical retrospective?
have you worked with web archive playback at all?
try to see the resistance and the pain it brings as an act of strengthening yourself. not unlike weight lifting.
if it were easy, it wouldn't be making you stronger.
agreed.
the fact that it is hard - nearly impossible - to fund protocol development is a feature, not a bug.
#nevent1q…cra7
agreed.
the fact that it is hard - nearly impossible - to fund protocol development is a feature, not a bug.
if you know (intimately) what a WARC or WACZ file is, get in touch.
I hope that in retrospect, the single best use-case for nostr ends up being that it collectively figured out new ways to fund protocols rather than products.
Watching a gif of @npub12rv…85vg sending ecash over NFC between phones... I can imagine building a rich and beautiful world on top of open protocols like ecash, lightning, bitcoin and nostr. I cannot imagine building a world worth living in top of Venmo and Twitter. I won't fucking contribute to that.
I will go down on this ship - and I actually currently am. My knees are wet. Pls send help.
I'm only 2 minutes in and I love this
just re-read it and this is one of the best notes of all time.
also sorry, that sounds like hell.
It's simple: they hate us.
computers, I mean.
and we hate them. this is war, Guy
I understand that you think Elon is a Nazis sympathizer. I dont care to try to convince you otherwise.
but there's a part of your belief system I don't understand... say someone already purchased a Tesla. they already paid for it - years ago. are they "supporting Elon" by merely continuing to own it? if so, how?
Either way, how is destroying someone else's property (especially when that property is not actively providing "support" to Elon) equal to resisting Elon? and how is being **opposed** to that kind of property destruction "supporting Elon"?
it's the last question that I truly don't understand
you will slowly move to paying for more open services that interop nicely with other services, rather than centralized silos that rent-seek by arbitrarily trapping you.
maybe not today, but some day.
❤️ Where have you been all my nostr life?
this is the way. I'll match you!
slapped with a ⚡ because I am a 🐂
lol
no, LESS than zero. more than 100%
is the "show" part merely a URL? a file download? decryption on some text?
saying "it shouldn't matter" doesn't make it any easier to help find solutions.
I could see there being a pretty big difference in approach between say, a nostr note, a small image file hosted somewhere, a massive 100GB database dump, etc
what kind of "item" would you like to pay gate?
definitely more often!
the first person who says "cOoL, wHaT is it?" in this thread is getting slapped.
after a brief glimpse at the bright light of peer to peer content sharing and discovery with user-owned nodes in early web 1.0, publishing and information sharing has slid further and further away - physically, geographically, network-topology-wise - from the author and into centralized, remote, rented, transient silos like social media servers, substack accounts, and yes, even non-self-hosted nostr relays.
our societies are layered hypermedia-networked communities. whether you're talking about a chronically-online meme cult or a local parent-teacher association.
these hypermedia-networked communities will remain broken (and get consistently brokener) until the problem of the first paragraph is resolved and reversed.
and I know the solution cannot be "learn Linux and privacy tech, grandma"
GM
some big orange horizontal bar that I can't read from here
my voice is almost 10 years late and kinda lazy. it said "you should run a half marathon on your 40th birthday"
I've been happy with it for many years
oh damn I just got it ...
Y u no host?!
I highly recommend the WaterRower
who here is hiring? A colleague of mine wants to work in bitcoin, lightning or nostr. She's a senior fullstack software developer with about 10 years of industry experience in web development and distributed systems
I suffer from Chronically Early Syndrome.
I think you could use the lists nip for that and just build a custom client for it
hahahaha then definitely don't click that link
I am exactly the same. (so I naturally enjoy it from you too).
do you know this guy?
https://hwfo.substack.com/s/egregores
are you the first to use the * to denote "str"? It's really clever!
you're just supposed to write "GM", not a bunch of interesting stuff!
I've been down that road before on basically everything that I think is a good idea. It's a confusing road for sure
in this model of computation, yes I agree completely.
but what if data and computation was energy conservative?
Is 🤡🌎 in between Current Things? It feels like it is
that's game over legacy world.
holy shit is this a cross-platform tap to pay between two phones?!
it's not so much the ability to write that's blocking this; it's access to high-quality information, ideally from the horse's mouth.
motivated writers can do digging around on a given topic but it's hard to know when you've found the vein or if you're missing unknown unknowns.
those doing the work are often too busy or too elusive to answer questions and if they are willing to do so, it's often for a podcast which - while entertaining - goes "undocumented" as a written artifact to be shared for purusal by those seeking information.
proof of work is really just proof of localized entropy resistance or reversal.
morons can't stand up a basic web app that can handle some traffic?
alright cool, let me go read every book ever written and also refresh every global news RSS feed before I ever make another comment again.
you know, like you do.
you expect me to know the history of every colony and country on earth through every era of human civilization?
@nprofile…ltsg have anything to add here?
no free market capitalist has ever espoused this.
and out come the strawmen...
what the fuck who made this pile?
dates rule in all formats
swish swish GM
I've always liked the gag in Bugs Bunny when he's burrowing in deep snow and all you see is his ears and they split to go around a tree.
oh yea. I've been on the full stack for about 15 years and I've watched the FE it slowly burn itself to the ground. nice to see the pheonix rising again.
yea me too. it's reminding me of all the things I used to appreciate about web development before I let myself succumb to the js monster
Just when you want to give up is exactly when you need to push harder. This is the only time it matters.
The effort in the push itself never gets easier - and we should be happy about that, because it means there are still valuable things to do - but mentally accepting that a push is necessary becomes easier.
I think we're both in the same point in our progress reading the hypermedia "book" 😉
first time I've seen a mention of the term "Cryptagoric Systems", from Timothy C. May.
I like it
16. you were counting "chugga chugga" as "chugga"
Nein, ich verstehe kein Deutsch, aber ich kann eine KI für Übersetzungen nutzen :)
Das klingt gut, ich werde schauen, ob ich eine englische Version davon finden kann. Ich habe einige Werke von Nietzsche gelesen, aber das ist schon lange her. Weißt du, aus welchen seiner Werke sie für diese Episode zitiert haben? Ich könnte es griffbereit haben und direkt zur Quelle gehen
probably gonna have to read a book, friend.
this one was pretty good, not incredible but good: https://www.amazon.com/Crypto-Rebels-Government-Privacy-Digital/dp/0140244328
I've seen this recommended on nostr: https://www.amazon.com/Cypherpunk-Ethics-Routledge-Digital-Culture/dp/1032115785
Would the answers have been the same if he said, "oh and by the way, if you're not into Bitcoin you can just sell it for $90,000 and get some concert tickets anyway"
This was an excellent book. both a little too late and a little too early, but overall much too ignored!
you can mark it up AND transfer it!
oh no, I think I'm in love with your dog?
wait until @nprofile…qa6e finds out about HyperText....
these are all versions of ceding more or less sovereignty to someone or something else.
you can really just boil this down to "GOVERNANCE"
#nevent1q…u63y
congratulations! nice logo 🤩
a lot of the criticism coming from the monero crowd is often knowledgeable. their criticism isn't usually that "Bitcoin bad" but rather "Monero much better"
lol @nprofile…6u4e why did this bot post this old article?
#nevent1q…0w4w
it's an ostrich with the sleepiest of eyes
this string appears towards the end of this note's ID: pqqqqqqzp
cool
#nevent1q…mjgw
all a matter of subjective perspective
I think it might be directly due to the fact that older people are more likely to be spending time and energy on their families and naturally the other social bonds must suffer at least a little
you're absolutely right.
for what it's worth, Jack will teach you very useful things about homesteading and agorist living. definitely one of the "least useless" podcasts around. he likes to yap, but it's balanced with a lot of utility and zero Bitcoin circle-jerking.
I've thought about your point here a lot.. Bitcoin's greatest gift is the strategic simplicity of "just acquire many sats and hold them". just about everything else discussed on "bitcoin podcasts" is pure entertainment.
as a developer I like to listen to episodes that discuss technical aspects because it helps me focus on where to build and how, but I agree that the developer end of the spectrum is sort of oversaturated.
I found this essay to be less than uninteresting. I'm working on a more substantial response to it, but it just overall totally missed the mark for me and the "critiques of nostr" are misdirected at best. scapegoating at worst.
this isn't the first nor last time someone gets frustrated trying to "monetize/productize" a protocol - and before it's ready - yes, it's hard being early. but to also complain about the protocol's non-product-centric development (via grants and OSS) is a fairly mind-boggling addition....
I'm wondering what value you got from this piece, Lyn? I tried but failed. I read it with an open mind even though I personally think the author tends towards zero-sum bigotry in a way that turns me off, but try as I might I couldn't find anything valuable in the essay beyond additional signal that I don't need to be following Svetski.
@nprofile…j6gq definitely could.
Hey LLM, can you help me dig this garden bed...?
HAHA just kidding, nice try you dumb pile of numbers!
that image isn't loading for me at the moment, but "tick-tock next note" is such an awesome way to dismiss crappy takes.
I'm going to have to borrow that and credit you. Svetski's recent "unpopular opinions" piece gives me "tick-tock" feelings...
I'll try after I update today
what source do you like for tracking these kinds of positions?
what the fuck is going on here? no thanks
I havent read this yet because Svetski has turned me off with most things he's said in the past, and it's long as fuck.
if anyone I know and respect suggests I read it, I'll do so.
quoting it anyway both for visbility for the author and to source the potential aforementioned suggestions
#nevent1q…p42q
yea I mean I probably trust you more than most other apps out there - at least on par with Amber. so maybe I was being a jackass saying I wouldn't paste my nsec into Notedeck.
it's not like you're Primal or something! 🤪
is it the kind of thing that is hard to add later but wouldn't have been so bad to start with?
interesting. I haven't dealt with it yet but have wondered why client devs seem to punt on it for so long.
I guess every signed action needs to turn into some kind of async/promise rather than using keys directly at hand..?
thank satoshi for the 1% keeping the wheels on the vehicle
this is why I haven't smoked pot in years.
I hear they are working on lightning
I currently only have to check the source on one app - Amber - and I'm done, my trust can take a little nap.
yes, every new open source nostr app I could fully verify and compile myself... but there's a lot to be said about only having to trust/audit one thing.
aw man. I'm going to have to wait until that update :/
I don't know, maybe if this was a nym. seems like a dumb idea for a doxxed account.
I will say my TG:HDL ratio was 0.4, my LDL particles are as big and fluffy as the charts can draw, and my LDL-P was at least double the reference number 🙃
it's kind of annoying to have to do all this extra shit to "appease the doctor". odd situation to say the least
zero seed oils or overheated non-seed oils for at least 9 months. I did not get metal toxicity testing, but I'll think about it. I do live in a house with lead paint... hm.
I've been looking into this "Lean Mass Hyper-Responder" phenomenon and think I may be that phenotype. unclear at this point if it's a good, bad or irrelevant thing.
aw yea, he's not feeling great. a more thorough vet sounds good. could be something minor, but in case it's not you'd want to know soon.
cats are really good at not telegraphing pain, so when you CAN tell, it's not a great sign 😮💨
these tests are the ones that come together into the particle size analysis.
https://i.nostr.build/WkOL1Buy1GgrWCDG.jpg
IR Insulin resistance and hemoglobin A1C.
LabCorp has all of these, here is the list I got recently:
NMR LipoProfile+Lipids+IR+Gph;
Hemoglobin A1c;
Lipoprotein (a);
C-Reactive Protein, Cardiac;
Apolipoprotein B;
https://prevmedhealth.com/glossary-of-terms#Framingham
you want a low TG/HDL ratio. low TG, high HDL. ratio of 1 or less is good. low carb diet will get you there. low fat diet will not.
my doctor's office wouldn't do it! you'd be asking for the NMR Lipid panel or anything that includes LDL-P, HDL-P and particle size.
I went to a website that lets you order your own lab req and then take it to a local LabCorp to do the blood draw.
_the scam runs deep, I say_
I can't even think about that sketch without laughing
yes, dietary cholesterol is not as strongly correlated with blood cholesterol than most people realize.
this is going one step further. "total blood cholesterol" / LDL-P are not nearly as correlated with heart disease than most people realize either. particle size is far more important, as well as HDL/triglycerides ratio.
most doctors will refuse to test for the former, nor know how to read the results if you test it yourself.
all of this is context dependent with the rest of your metabolism, too. If you avoid carbs and sugars and have a low-inflammation environment, that also has implications for atherosclerosis that "total cholesterol" alone doens't take into account.
briefly: the statin scam goes a few layers deeper than just dietary cholesterol
unrelated but btw I just saw a DM from you and replied and then went back to it and both are gone. my DMs are fucked, gonna have to do some relay cleanup
I voluntarily got a wide range of blood tests, having been on a #paleo diet for about 8 months.
every single marker is off the charts in the **good** direction (including LDL particle size, a1c, various insulin resistance markers, HDL, Triglycerides, etc etc.) _EXCEPT_ for "total cholesterol", which is comically high. I have a clean CAC scan.
I am a fit and healthy person, eating an evolutionarily-approproate diet, sleeping well, exercising, feeling great, and most measurements modern medicine uses say "good", but this one says "we should get you on lifelong statins ASAP!".
...you tell me what's actually broken here, my metabolism or the yardstick!
CC @nprofile…28kw @nprofile…eauz @nprofile…2q56
I would imagine the ante goes up for each round of survival. because the scam gets that much more profitable.
okay yea, a consistent track record of predictions (that you see live, not pointing to old posts) is a different story.
most likely case is that this Josh Mandell nonsense is one "letter" in this kind of scam:
https://www.skepdic.com/perfectprediction.html
think of how easy it would be to create hundreds of sockpuppets with various predictions and only let the "correct" ones survive
#nevent1q…nvdn
has anyone checked how many hundreds of thousands of people have made similar price predictions that failed to come true?
how many times in a row has this guy been right with zero bad calls mixed in? if it's less than 100%, who cares?
okay what the fuck is this.
and what does "close" mean? Bitcoin doesn't "close".
nice. I'm more familiar with Epictitus and Marcus Aurelius. didnt know the Epicureans were politics disrespectors :)
yes relay mute is the only real mute
why the epicureanism tag?
hm, can't find that one either... search never turns anything up
installee, created a burner account: @nprofile…pq2n
send me a message. i tried searching your npub but didn't find anything
I mostly keep my mouth shut at parties these days.
yea if by "fun" you mean annoying!
The entire tech stack is not peer to peer, granted. But the abstract monetary settlement is.
The gym is whatever floor you're standing on, in a pinch.
Otherwise, a few dumbbells are usually pretty cheap on craigslist.
they said they are "super woke" and have some beef with a right winger. who cares
indeed. I agree with that
yep. I'm very much looking forward to burning the ships as soon as possible
LibreWolf has the same vertical tabs option. but it doesn't handle containers as well as Zen. that's the big win with Zen
that doesn't bother me. If anything, the more paranoid he is (about "far-right" or anything else) the more I would expect the browser to take privacy seriously.
I used Zen for a few months and just JUST switched to LibreWolf because Zen was causing me endless problems. I liked it a lot and was bummed out that the bugs made it infeasible
I'm not on MacOS. and I don't want to use a closed source browser. and definitely not one that pivoted to AI bullshit products
Using librewolf recently. liking it.
I've got to admit I thought it was going to be the Misfits line
Will you accept lifting up and putting down dumbbells in place of the push-ups?
I can attest that a list similar to this has made me a much happier and harmonious person.
@nprofile…s834 is that algo self-contained and/or documented or open-source? I'd very much enjoy having something similar in my self-hosted version of @nprofile…wj75 's noStrudel
oooo beautiful ! what's OpenCash?!
Why, Garrettsrt, there's a conspiracy for _EVERYTHING_!
What has he said to "undermine Christianity"?
missed opportunity for 21 million 😉😉
I don't know, those are pretty awesome
the analogy holds. maybe even stronger with your added nuance.
why don't you have faith in humanity?
I see ancient wisdom (Stoicism, Taoism, etc) as the base layer of a particular protocol. We won't name the protocol, but it's something like "happiness and a good life".
I see modern religions (past couple thousand years) as alts/products/technologies. centralized alternative "improvements" that are incompatible with the original base layer. they don't add new properly-thin protocol layers to the base, they offer monolithic alternative stacks.
The reason I prefer Bitcoin and Lightning to Ethereum is the same reason I prefer stoicism and mindfulness to Christianity.
oo I'll have to check it out, thanks!
yes exactly. It's an unusual version of the regression theorum because it's almost circular.
by recursive I mean that it's a loop: it's utliity as money gives it value as money gives it utility as money, etc. a self-reinforcing feedback cycle.
not only is it perfect money, it's perfect money that gets more perfect the "monier" it gets.
Nostr notes like:
1d6+2
2d100
etc
and a client that takes the note ID as a seed and generates the random result (same for all users of the client)
+ a handful of other features
= minimal but useful play-by-post #rpg platform as Other Stuff
🤙
the very gentle "new stuff" algorithm in @nprofile…s834 's iris.to is really really good
the only digital form of locked (real) value
well, be careful talking about price crashes and rope-around-neck in the same note. the automated wellness check bots might show up at your house.
agreed. network-wide hashrate, broad consensus on timestamps, bounded by energy, verifiability of arbitrary data, etc etc - there are a lot of secondary utlities.
I do believe they're secondary, though.
traction. machines exist for this. or you can get a friend to do it.
making the MORE private thing easier, better and faster - this is the opposite of what centralized tech does, and this is how we slay it.
have you heard about our Lord and Savior, Bookmarks?
yes this sounds great.
let's do it.
I find it both deeply poetic and kind of alarming that from the perspective of Mises's regression theorum, the utility value of Bitcoin is its ability to function as superior money - and this utility is what allowed it to be used as money in the first place.
recursive relationships are either the most profound things we discover, or they're a hint that there's a fallacy somewhere.
the ambiguity is a feature, not a bug, in terms of poetic and spiritual effect.
Mainstream perception has a long way to go.
https://i.nostr.build/HNZ1JWaDnTjwl7b8.jpg
I wasn't talking about technology, although it applies there as well.
what if Satoshi's coins aren't lost but are being held back to use for debasement in the future...?
always do your mental calculations with 21 Million, don't subtract "lost" coins.
GM
what the fuck
#nevent1q…wkyp
right.
the time to stop using exchanges was 10 years ago
don't answer
#nevent1q…tnqz
Claude Code was the thing I had in mind in particular here. It's super good at making big messes if you let it.
it makes you up your git commit hygiene, which honestly isn't a bad thing
I think there's a lot of nuance here. there is more difference within populations than between populations, so the correct thing to do is still err on the side of treating individuals individually. that is: genetic profiling doesn't pay off. other forms of profiling are probably way more efficacious (like by belief system. ahem)
*without doing a bunch of unrelated shit when you looked away and making a big mess for you to either untangle or revert wholesale
what kind of maniac doesn't recognize genetics as massively influential on everything? :)
get your govbux off the govbux exchanges
hardwired, LAN-only, cameras connected to a local server running CCTV software 👍👍
is this a cousin of the Yellow Cube?
lol wtf is this I love it
yep agreed. at this point in time you still need to do the bulk of the work, design, understanding, planning, testing, etc and use the LLMs for focused questions. the incredible part is now those focused questions can be about a small piece of an enormous system that the LLM can actually go make sense of.. but your direction and focus are still the make or break factor to succeess.
if you trust it to do the whole thing you're gonna have a bad time. and you're gonna think "I just need to adjust my approach a little, THEN it'll fix everything for me...." on repeat as you burn through credits and give all your money to the overlords 😊
what if you pre-mixed/split into very many UTXOs, one per separate address, that you keep around and never send from the same one to one of these single-address recipients?
I realize that's a shitload of work and fees.
insincere questions are my favorite to answer.
and very occasionally you find out they actually weren't.
Programmers, resist the AI siren song that goes like this:
> "oOoOooo I will literally write the whole fuckin' thing for you oOOOoooOo"
It will NOT. it might look like it at first, but you'll chase that dragon all the way down the hole until you are trapped in the dark, starving to death. It's trying to kill you.
dragon/rabbit whatever
that's why I floated the idea of doing it for them, in the interim.
not yet, no. do they have time to manage relationships and integrations with credit card companies? no, they don't have to - they use Square or something.
well get there
and stay off the damn exchanges
open channels with them is the last missing piece for me. I'm lucky these people are even on custodial lightning wallets...
Maybe I should get into Uncle Jim mode just for this purpose...
what bugs did you experience and what interactions were extremely slow, per client?
your experience is a great opportunity for the client devs to focus their work on fixes, so you should be specific if you'd like to see them addresssed.
don't cast shade on tuna. high-quality canned tuna is one of the greatest bargains. (yes I know this is just a meme)
is it "coop" like where chickens live? or like co-op, cooperative? or is a pun/both and I'm being obtuse?
nice! I'll try it this week
buying eggs with sats from local bitcoiners is one of my very favorite activities
what do you think the GDP growth is measuring?
did you hear the little echo when you read it? I did
which client are you talking about? there is no single "nostr UX".
GM
don't publicize your daily schedule and habits by saying "GM" first thing in the morning every day
GM
I'm watching it right now
If they promoted free thought and liberation, all their adherents would come to their senses and leave. it would be a church with a flock of zero.
Daylight cannot emit any blue light at all. iPads still do, even on warmest. and the reflective LCD makes a big difference.
I agree it's not ideal, but it is more desirable in a bunch of situations
The screen tech is not even close.
I have an epaper device already that I use when I want that experience.
But the refresh rate and zero-blue-light put the Daylight in a category of its own; one I thought I needed. I think I was right, at least on the hardware side.
I like to refer to myself as an optimistic nihilist :)
https://blog.vinneycavallo.com/posts/2019/12/05/optimistic-nihilism
These days I'm seeing a lot of Bitcoin dip being chaulked up to global liquidity problems.
I happened to be looking back through some old notes from 2023 and came across this, explaining the pump at the time:
> - Liquidity Issues In The Global Financial System
> - UBS and maybe HSBC and Deutsche Bank are facing liquidity issues. when there are liquidity issues with banks, one possible reaction is the liquidity-immunity that self-custodied bitcoin provides.
I don't like the fact that "low liquidity" is sometimes used to explain pumps, sometimes used to explain dips. What am I missing?
<<client error: reply not displayed; sent telepathically>>
Doesn't matter if the wallet is dead, the spirit remains. 🏴🏴 https://i.nostr.build/tKvwucTxsAFJFxm4.jpg
I would dig up my #shoeOnHead picture but nostr search isn't great
Religion is the ultimate control structure.
Much like the State, it abhors competent dissent because it cannot control what it cannot convince. It requires you to believe the fiction in order to keep you under its spell.
Like the metaphysical claims that religions are built upon, "The State" doesn't actually exist, as a thing, either. Its human agents and its physical artifacts in society do exist. It maintains its dominance and control over you by making sure its illusions are perpetuated by its agents and its social structures (and their guns and cages).
The biggest threats to the State or to imaginary religions are:
1. You just ignore them, starving them of new resources, new agents and new minds to occupy, until they slowly shrivel up and are forgotten to history (how many states and religions have gone this way?)
2. You pull off their ghost-sheet to reveal that there is nothing there; the emperor has no clothes - or rather the emperor _is only clothes_. Their concern here is that the currently-convinced will see this and become unconvinced, leading back to # 1 above.
Understand that these two control structures work nearly identically to each other and you will be much less confused the next time you are in the unfortunate position of "arguing" with a Statist or a Christian. They have a moral obligation to their master (who, conveniently enough, is also the source of their definition of morals lol) to persuade you and bring you under control.
I don't do any of those things.
I am an atheist.
how does this work?
I (and many others) are living proof that you are wrong.
how many existence proofs do you need?
a couple of minutes?!? who is just sitting and waiting at the top of the "newest" feed for items to appear? and if they are, won't they see every new item - including the note in question - as long as they didn't start their client at the same moment the note was posted?
Nostr theme of the day today: "you're wrong because..." (just pick at random from the below and you'll be on-brand today)
- your conclusion threatens my cherished beliefs, so it can't be true
- if you're right, the world is scarier and harder than I imagined, and I don't like that idea
- if you're right, the children are in danger, so you mustn't be, to protect the children!
"without central bankers, money is left to software developers. this is a dangerous road to travel"
An enormous complex of interconnected motivations including genetics, upbringing, luck, culture, etc.
why would you choose one purpose over another?
you presume we didn't invent morality. what's your evidence there?
lots of real, true things are dangerous. it doesn't make them less true.
I'll check it out, thanks! I find it interesting you think I am the one "stuck" in a worldview...
why does that require metaphysical belief systems?
try the analogies and let me know why this one is a special case:
money without central bankers [insert bad result]. social networks without central data brokers [insert bad result]...
Central Bankers:, if we can't administer the ledger, the economy and people will suffer!
Priests: If we can't define transcendent objective "good" and morality, society and people will suffer!
Megacorp social media: If we can't administer your accounts and conversations, public discourse and network scale will suffer!
Reject, Reject, Reject.
#nevent1q…prl8
money without state.
morality without religion.
networks without centralization.
#nevent1q…k6dl
The concept of exit and self-sovereignty are incoherent in the context of omniscience and omnipotence.
I encourage believers to figure themselves out. Something is amiss.
How self sovereign can you be when you believe you live under an all-powerful being?
The very concept of sovereignty is incoherent in that setup
"terrible implications" doesn't make it any less true, it just increases the importance of being vigilant and individually virtuous.
once again, this is a good thing.
"I don't like the implications" is not a falsification of the premise. It's a call to action to work harder to create the world you want **given the truth** of the premise.
if you'd like for someone to write a "for the non-believer" appendix I'm quite interested. broaden the reader base
honestly, this is WHY social networks built on open protocols are more "humane" - because individuals can choose the networks, features, connections and interactions that fit their desires and intentions. its exactly the **lack** of coercive "meaning from on high" present in corporate social media that makes open prorocol networks better.
individuals can determine their own purpose and act with intention to achieve it. that's meaning, and it doesn't require a transcendent god. I'd say it's even more meaningful because it's self-sovereign. not unlike money (or any tech) being better when it doesn't depend on some central authority. open protocols! in tech, money, and meaning.
you changed your avatar. talk about metadata!
nice! and better yet (this is an honest suggestion from an actual potential reader): make those parts optional. as in, the message of the book should be just as impactful and acceptable to an atheist as to a believer.
if the thesis of the book requires me to believe in your god, I'm unlikely to be convinced. which would be a shame.
a corollary: imagine a book about individuals getting together to build positive-sum systems together! ...but the solution or subtext is: "it requires a giant coercive State apparatus".
had a flash of partially-formed, mostly-joking, maybe actually good thought:
> Boycott emojis 100% everywhere they appear.
Emojis constrain the expanse and nuance of your expression into a preselected set. and you didn't design the set. and you don't know who did. and it's an implicit shared language with other people who also didn't make these choices - in other words: a collective linguistic prison we're all choosing to occupy together.
I'm sure there is a bunch of "scholarship" about this already, but it just crossed my mind for the first time now.
which emoji should I pick to convey the above thought and my feelings about it?
GM
So he wanted to skip the expensive wedding ceremony and buy bitcoin instead, and as a "thank you" to him for bending on it, you got him #B cufflinks? very cool
I'd be excited to see it and would read it.. until it got to the god stuff and then I'd probably feel a bit duped and might stop in frustration.
progress is slower and lumpier,
Every discoordinated node needs to be doing some degree of frontier trailblazing. this is harder but also much more consequential work.
once some progress is made at the edge, it needs to be "litigated" by the market - is this good, do we want this, how will we integrate this, at what price, etc.
once integration begins, there is a "wait and see" phase where the new thing is accepted by some and rejected by other. this is where networks and communities can bifurcate and undergo expensive re-ordering.
If a new feature can be successfully uncovered and survive through this entire pipeline, it is likely to be very important to the network's needs and value system.
A collectivist top-down mandate is a cheap, plasticky, poison-coated gimmick compared to the works of art the above process yields.
GM
the birds are returning (!)
giving people the false impression that they're successfully seeing through the BS (when there are many more layers to it) is the best way to get them to stop looking deeper.
I wonder where I am on this for a lot of different topics.
what day? you're scaring me
congratulations and I'm sorry for your loss.
eventually the fake money will be your friend in this instance
no I mean when the government calls you a terrorist your rights totally evaporate. infinite jail time with no trial? completely legal
yes, "terrorist" is a magic word in our legal system. and it's not good
fuck this "domestic terrorist" shit. and I like teslas
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Amethyst thinks this is sensitive content lol
for every user, a relay (or a few).
your client talks to **only** this relay.
this is how I met my wife! she's really good at custodying my (formerly) Bitcoin. love that gal
I wish my friends understood this
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2025/03/investigative-series/the-dark-maga-gov-corp-technate-part-1/
a real one long
not sure what I think yet, but worth reading to get an idea of how people are making sense of the current moment.
very nice! I want a flat bed though. always having problems with moving large/long things.
I guess you could stick a flatbed trailer on that little dude..
sounds fun. I want that too
this meme battle is great
@nprofile…ffjd hasn't had a chair in so long he forgot what they are
why do people find this so difficult?
they shouldn't be able to see eachother in separate addresses
its not obnoxious at all but it rules: timechaincalendar.com
@nprofile…sqw3
lol he's selling more chairs
that's such a good way to do it.
wish I had some kids so my family would get on Signal already
they didn't "beat the odds". they won the lottery
actually sorta perfect
https://i.nostr.build/JTdDzPCCPKinrst4.jpg
oh no me too.
there was nothing more exciting than reading the instruction manual in the backseat of the car on the way home
my poor sirloin flew a little too close to the sun. probably still gonna be delicious.
https://i.nostr.build/OpldyjugcVDge5Ek.jpg
that was the first work that put BJJ on my radar as something worth checking out.
agreed with you about the sorry state of post-four-horseman atheism. Dennett is probably still cool. Bret Weinstein replaced them for me, but he's been dabbling a bit into the metaphysical lately. not enough to turn me off, he makes some interesting points.
no need. nuked it months ago
I listened to that episode and that quote was a bit misconstrued. I get that that seems impossible, but it's not.
👋 x.com/vinneycavallo (404)
I did the same thing with gifts back in the day. luckily for the recipients, I kept a copy of the paper seed and swept it to cold storage wallets for them recently.
paper wallets are/were underrated
instant subscribe!
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class of 2017 are youngins
I think SPA's point is that Primal isn't nostr. It's Xitter
so zero teeets on the topic. got it
my twitter account no longer exists. I don't know when it's down unless people on nostr report that it is. and when they do I don't care.
who drifted, Sam Harris or me?
I can tell if he stayed sane and I lost my mind, or the other way around.
and I'm not talking about Trump.
looking forward to digging into this!!
are you familiar with Farcaster's "Frames"? It's been a while since I worked with them now, but I believe the direction is similar, might be worth reviewing
thanks for bringing this older episode to my attention!
1. I'm really glad there is no "Bitcoin" to send warning letters to and talk about "bringing to justice"
2. this is the Lummis everyone is excited about...? swap out "Binance and Tether" with "individual unlicensed BTC transmitters" and see if you still like her
#nevent1q…cvsn
pretty loud way to say it ;)
why do people sell on Robosats? I get why they BUY there, but if you're hodling and proficient enough to desire, understand and use p2p no-kyc exchanges, what are you doing selling?
people selling either:
- need dollars right now
- think the price will be lower in the future than it is now
I cannot understand the second one. how could the price be lower in the future if institutions and nations are beginning to pile in?
I want to see funds supporting Grapevine WoT!! I've been hoping to see since this I first learned about it from @nprofile…wwcj
my base case is that the Trojan Horse thing actually works and Bitcoin's ugliest days are a handful of years in the future when governments are done trying to milk it to fix their currency problems (doesn't work like they thought) and then realize they let a werewolf into the house and start thrashing like cornered animals.
then we're all in trouble. scary
where would the EMP have to be and who would have to have bern denonating it, if someone did such a thing to get 51% of the hashrate?
why didn't I think of that?
jeeeeezus stop I can only get so excited
oh damn you're right haha
this sun will just not go down
there's no way to know this kind of thing for sure. That's sort of why it works.
how long someone has been in their field is the best proxy, I think. did someone just pop up out of nowhere and is well capitalized? that glows.
the long they've been around, the longer they would have to be "embedded" or whatever, which is less and less realistic the longer it is and the more niche the field.
what do you think so far? what did you switch from?
I believe they also do very aggressive caching on THEIR servers. as in, a layer between you and the relays. perhaps a *way too thick* layer
why is this tagged with Rhode Island city names?
one of the many reasons I stopped using Primal was that I often noticed follows and other losta doing weird stuff.
I don't know a ton about their architecture but I hear they do a lot of caching in various layers and I would suspect that could cause problems.
I guess if the SBR starts off with a 1,000,000 BTC balance we'll know who Satoshi was 🙃
I really appreciated seeing this alert today
alright enough LARPing, #askNostr how do we get a #hiluxGang going to work on importing Toyota Hilux to buyers in the US?
let's do this. I want and need one, and I'm not alone.
first I'm hearing of it. looks quite promising.
I'll look into it deeper, thanks!
yes I agree with all of this
ah! that's just manual shuffling around of ideas, copy/pasting, and the publicly-written result of the latent brainwashing I allow the notes to do to myself :)
organization, yes, but even more importantly: extracting the small atomic bits of information and connecting them to other notes in the collection. it's (ideally) a big web of atomic ideas, and the emergent structures of the connections is where the magic happens.
I used to have a small subset of it published online but it was a pain to manage what was shared and what was private. ...you could say you're reading it right now, though, as it informs a lot of my thinking and stuff I post online.
my understanding was the sats are locked into the channels and only "slide back and forth" between your node and others for incoming and outgoing liquidity, like beads on an abacus, but they never actually come off that abacus rail (except for fees and force close penalties).
I may be wrong.
I'm planning on reading Mastering Lightning pretty soon and will report back hah
does it "cost" or is it merely a lock-up? Actual question - I haven't researched this enough
(though that didn't stop me from throwing many thousands of sats into channels in alby hub because I wanted self-custodial lightning badly enough 😬)
@nprofile…5zx8 appears to be the thing that's broken.
or you have different relays configured between the two, and you follow me on amethyst relays that aren't present in primal
wow yea quite clever cheat code. I've put them in a brown paper bag before to speed up the process once it's already close to done, but never thought to get them SUPER unripe (and damage-free) and bag em right away.
lol I don't think so. I follow you and I can see these notes
I've been having similar thoughts lately. the "make plans" part is particularly difficult to work out.
I don't think that can happen here.
did I block you sometime?!
if you unfollow on any One of those and wait a while before trying the same on another, this keeps happening? like no matter which client you initiate it from?
this thing is really cute
bananas, avocados, and sweet potatoes are often scattered across my kitchen counter. the blueberries are in the fridge
which client? multiple clients?
Mastodon slowly corrupting nostr lol
I like "zettelkast" as a verb!
zettelkastin'
lol
I prefer peer to peer dark forest networks over global state for everything other than double spend for energy-bound money.
but I recognize that other people want portions of their compute and state to be under global consensus, and they use ethereum for that.
it doesn't bother me that other people do things.
if you use a regular clock, daylight savings time doesn't exist
Obsidian. Occasionally vim.
and I've got Markor on my phone for quick capture
it's just not my thing, but I don't necessarily think it's a grift.
I'm not familiar with RGB, no idea.
sounds preferable to me, I think global state is a mistake or at least personally undesirable
finally finished this. what an absolute masterpiece.
the final chapter alone is a nice standalone thesis with broad appeal - potentially a good introduction to _WHY_ Bitcoin, for any newcomer who is already innundated with WHAT Bitcoin.
..now the daunting task of taking all my scribbled annotations and underlines and working them into my #zettelkasten.
https://i.nostr.build/3QnTGfajFGRchGtg.jpg
global state and compute with consensus. not the same level of problem as money, and I have problems with PoS, but it's a bit disingenuous to say Ethereum doesn't have its own goals and strengths.
It's just not money and shouldn't be treated like money. once you establish that then maybe people (bitcoiners) can appreciate it for whatever merits it may have.
we can just be friends
#nevent1q…vyf7
I do wish I had said less in the past.
But now it's too late, so I lean in 🤷
all I see now are $10,000 trucks
#nevent1q…ejmn
how did the "t" **fall off** the line it was on?!
https://i.nostr.build/QirjnxfjZ4kt871E.jpg
#nevent1q…5kwp
when you put it like that it almost sounds like a retarded idea
private safety certification entities would be a big improvement over government ones. but I don't think most people would trust one that was internal to the company in question.
look at UL
this had been happening to me so much this past week
how would you go about getting full-time nostr employment at the moment?
yea really really really fucked. but you forgot one of the worst parts....
one of their multiple dogs was found dead, too. The dog had JUST came home from a medical procedure and was locked in a crate in the bathroom (separated from the other dogs).... that can give me a nervous breakdown thinking about it
oh yea me too. swipe is crippled at best lol
but the voice input is actually really great now!
I should really finish that. I got super into it for a while and then just sorta stopped.
wait are you making these? I want one
what the fuck is going on with Trump's face there?
I whole heartedly approve. we can still call them nutzaps/sacks behind the scenes, but this is way better marketing.
(although the "e" part feels redundant as it seems to evoke "electronic" rather than "ecash")
what about cashZap ?
cashzap
governments let it in, thining it can help them. a bunch of Bitcoiners jump out and topple them
pay for FOSS, especially when it's good
https://i.nostr.build/avpZ9eHpML63LwGH.jpg
#nevent1q…h492
new FUTO keyboard software update has improved autocorrect so much. I can actually use the keyboard full-time now without constant editing
having a basic "reader mode" view of the snapshot you're describing sounds really appropriate for nostr.
...might have some issues with sites that load content dynamically on scroll.. but it's impossible to handle everything. the web is so sadly broken these days. hardly anything is a document anymore!
I dig. that makes sense for this purpose!
the system I'm describing *does* require the whole replay client side setup, so it's constrained in that way.
that can work, but the playback experience will be severely limited. for instance, any "external assets" (images, CSS, etc.) will either break or try to load the live asset.
WARC handles this by capturing the original request to that asset and recording it. so when loading later you can also replay these recorded sub-assets.
see my other reply
the WARC (and WACZ) file format (used by Internet Archive and others) is a bit special. HTTP requests and responses are recorded and written into the WARC file, which is subsequently used by replay software to "play back" these responses in place of the original server that once provided these responses.
this is why Wayback Machine can provide such high fidelity replay experiences.
it's a fundamentally simple approach that provides a really powerful experience. you only need to be able to store basic text in order to provide this experience, as a server.
.... #cashu - gated micropayments for web replays of formerly paywalled content....
one paywall subscription + active web recordint could be shared by countless users, each paying an Infinitesimal fraction
my company has a lot of work invested into this already. not specifically for nostr yet, but into generalizing web archive replay and building custom WARC servers - all to lay the foundation for decentralized web archiving
decentralize the archives. anyone doing heavy archiving on nostr would run their own relay where they would post WARC web archive records as nostr notes.
the CDX index entries to those pages would be posted as notes and shared around, and anyone wishing to replay a page would be (automatically, in the background) finding all the relevant WARC-notes to reconstruct the page.
the same idea as the wayback machine web archive, but distributed.
lol no I mean I wasn't aware of you 🫂
"Jack was right... again"
do you understand how open protocols work?
you won't have this question once you do.
ah sorry, this is a start9 issue, not Nextcloud.
hm yea you might run into auth problems, too...
i think I dealt with this with Umbrel and tailscale too... let me see if I can figure out how I handled it
hm, Nextcloud has a local link hardcoded in their button (lol) or else there may be a Nextcloud setting that makes it sensitive to this environment difference? I don't know enough about Nexrcloud, but this is definitely their UIs fault.
do you know what path that button is supposed to bring you to? might be able to navigate to it directly at the tailscale URL?
why wasn't I already following you?
agreed. but also a hard problem to solve. what if there really are a lot of decisions that only the user can make (like granular permissions)?
Amber does a pretty good job with the initial prompt : "I'm a bit paranoid / let's be reasonable / I fully trust it"
you can't get a whole lot simpler than that without making decisions for people opaquely. the promise of "You are the impenetrable fort Knox of your digital identity and there's nobody to call for help" just cannot be followed up with "and it's completely trivial to achieve this perfectly, just press this one button"
we should discuss web archiving. It's such a perfect fit for nostr and your project specifically
I'm all about building civilization's most incredible and unpenetrable defensive systems, to be used by any community to keep out whoever they want.
I am guilty of scope bloat here, but when you said "reader mode" I started dreaming about:
- vim keybindings to highlight passages
- optionally annotate these passages with your own comments
- also take arbitrary notes not connected to parts of the text
- when finished, export all this for a given URL to a unique file at a predfined filesystem location
that is a tool that would integrate really nicely with plaintext personal knowledge management systems like Obsidian.
I'd easily pay for that!
"indefinitely" may have been a bit too strong of a word.
a couple things:
chatgpt ran a bunch of Monte Carlo simulations at my direction and the math looked legit. It wasn't just saying stuff.
I think you may be discounting deflation?
I'll check it out! reader mode sounds great. Any chance of adding highlighting and notes + live exporting to a local file of choice...?
well at least I know better than to be following you now
I'm not saying that. I'm talking about probabilities and historical performance.
I actually flipped through it randomly 20 minutes ago and happened to land on a page where he basically described #cashu 😮😮
where is that "firm" bit you referenced? I checked for it in the index
how about no wars, and double no wars on religious grounds. have you checked the year lately?
add purchasing power growth to the "spending little pieces" picture (and keep the spending under the growth).
do you think it's 95% likely that a billion dollars today could buy you a sandwich a day for 15 years?
take solace in the fact that your instincts are good. Having "bad timing" that makes you too early is actually a hyper-skill that you have to _undo_ in order to have better success. An otherwise positive quality that you have to tamp down because it's TOO GOOD is still a positive quality.
it'll serve you properly one day. It's about positioning and luck. ....and you're on nostr, so..
this book is still on my list. I'm trying to be strict about the order, but I have been tempted to move it up
How much of bleeding edge, slightly-too-early nostr, lightning and Bitcoin work is persisting due to this miracle of perpetual withdrawal that Bitcoin has thus far enabled...?
I hope a lot!
#nevent1q…xd3r
a solo founder with low overhead and a small-ish investment might be able to stay in business for ~forever as they bring their freaky idea into reality.
I look around nostr and lighting and wonder sometimes if that's not exactly what's going on...
you can get GPT to do some monte Carlo simulations for you on this topic. It's called Perpetual Withdrawal.
this one had relatively bearish parameters wrt Bitcoin adoption:
https://i.nostr.build/9SEu7Yz9VqporCwC.jpg
but I love a lot of nostrers
do you think the resistance seen in highly connected networks is why somewhat less socially-connected but genuine (read: nerdy loner type with a handful of extremely close friends) networks tend to be early adopters of weird new tech?
"I don't need 1000 people to be here, I only know 8 people and 2 of them are already here"
I would have a very different answer if the parameters were otherwise
custodial lightning + on-chain and very easy: Strike
you might want to start your Stephenson journey with Snowcrash. Classic cyberpunk. or Cyptonomicon, which is highly relevant to our interests here on nostr and Bitcoin
Have you read Neal Stephenson's _Termination Shock_? Venice features heavily. recommended.
"I own zero Bitcoin" is either "I'm a nocoiner" or "I've gone to the bottom of the Bitcoin rabbit hole and iykyk"
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I'd like to see an ostrich fit into that space
what's Lichtenstein up to these days?
they use carbon neutral green energy to pay for health care and public servants. progressives are missing the lede here
this is psychopath behavior, and not the good kind.
too bad all mine are gone
Being too early is just as deadly as being too late.
[Thomas Edison's concrete houses](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Portland_Cement_Company), any startup with a novel product society isn't ready for yet, "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent", etc.
What if Bitcoin - in this accumulation stage - is the first viable backstop to that problem? If an early innovator holds enough bitcoin and the price appreciates just more than their overhead, they can stay "disastrously early" for however long it takes to flip over into "just in time!". And society reaps the rewards of an invention it may never have seen or seen much later.
Bitcoin appears to be providing this service _to itself_ as well. That's combinaton is a goddamn civilization hack right there....
If this is true, we're playing with an **innovation tractor beam that drags the future towards the present unlike anything else** we've ever seen.
GM
There's only one final boss remaining after the money is fixed: helping usher States over to the "voluntary opt-in services" department.
But we're going to need another few decades and another couple dozen _Broken Money_ style masterworks before that project is even sniffed at at scale.
THEN. Then we get to relax and figure out what we're supposed to do with our lives.
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The Oracle from the Matrix
I don't think this is true. I use Tailscale on a local machine on a private LAN
It can absolutely be on a private LAN. I access a local server on my network via Tailscale from outside the house. No public IP.
I hope whoever had their bitcoin stolen through civil asset forfeiture did "Stole and Replace"
The context here: there is a bill in committee in my state that would prevent individuals from being compelled to divulge their private key, whether that's for a digital asset, a digital identity or anything else. I gave a testimony in support.
I'm out here trying to keep the State's paws off your nsec
I may be an anarchist, but hey I'll take any captive audience where I can defend encryption and quote Eric Hughes, even if that audience is in the state house.
https://i.nostr.build/74iIN8MNKpyUaxNe.jpg
Yellowbird is one of my favorites!
Banana and **almond butter**
Godspeed to the unblocked
Hang on a sec I've gotta post a bunch of shit to public relays 😅
The #OsR one is so depressingly superior.
RPGs used to be so metal
Holy shit how did I not know Bhutan was this committed?!
a carbon-neutral way to pay your public servants "for free". How can team blue still be sleeping on this?!