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A random mix of my personal life and my thoughts on antifascism, open source tech, tech politics, other politics, more politics, libertarian communism and related ideas.

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Location: Tøyen, Oslo, Norway
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2024-06-26 11:41:45

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The funny thing is that Piketty is one of the more empirical economists. Others make models with even less data, or data that makes no sense. Like the winner of the "Economics Nobel Prize" (not really a Nobel prize), William Nordhaus. He made a model for how climate change will affect the economy by comparing economic growth in regions with different temperatures.

2024-06-26 11:41:45

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2024-06-21 11:24:18

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Yes, there are casuality issues, but the main issue is how you look at success. What counts? You claim that the enviromental movement has been largely unsuccesful. But they have won a lot of political gains, sometimes directly related to disruptive actions. Of course, not only trough those actions, which is a quite important distinction.
As for dispuptive actions, the main question is disruptive for whom and how. Do you consider performative actions like JSOs paint-throwing disruptive? For whom? How does it affect anything? Compared to Greenpeace actions that directly target the places where the pollution happen (like climbing the pipes of coal plant)?
Or compared to the more classic disruptive tactics like a labour strike or an urban riot?

2024-06-21 11:24:18

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2024-06-20 15:52:09

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the book "Non-violence ain't what it used to be" by Shon Meckfessel might interest you then.
There's also tons of general theory on this issue in general, most of it not at all informed by anyone who've ever been seriously involved in activism. Most of it are strong opinions with some random statistics stacked on top. Look for things written by people who either have bitter experiences of defeat or for sociologists who study those movements that won.
As for your initial question. Are there any examples of movements that lost because they've been too disruptive? Possibly the urban guerillas of Western Europe in 70s/80s, but there's also examples of some very successful actions from those groups.

2024-06-20 15:52:09

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