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2022-12-26 14:50:04

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“Normalizing the spending of Bitcoin” is a really nice way to put it, thanks

2022-12-25 07:19:30

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That’s a cool idea

2022-12-25 07:19:30

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That’s a cool idea

2022-12-25 07:17:02

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You mean Damus? It’s in Swift, see https://github.com/damus-io/damus

2022-12-24 23:04:59

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Signal does this with Sealed Sender but I’ve read through the blogpost twice and I still don’t understand how exactly it works
Wish there was a paper
https://signal.org/blog/sealed-sender/

2022-12-24 20:54:03

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Yep, and honestly so far the vast majority of userpics look better after that :p

2022-12-24 18:34:59

If anyone is looking for abstract art profile pics
https://openprocessing.org/discover/#/generativeart

2022-12-24 18:33:07

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Just pink for me, was it intended?

2022-12-24 17:31:17

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Telegram does it, but I think the way they do it is by rebuilding the text selection interface and the popup menu entirely
And I’m not aware of any other app that does it
Specifically for relays, it might be easier to just recognize links in the message and give them a context menu

2022-12-24 07:20:55

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Oh well

2022-12-24 07:20:38

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What’s up?

2022-12-24 07:20:33

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2022-12-24 07:04:49

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2022-12-24 07:03:17

For how long do Nostr relays store data at the moment?

2022-12-24 06:55:41

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Lol

2022-12-24 06:54:57

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@ and then pubkey

2022-12-24 06:42:47

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Specifically
“Blockchains are Lego Mindstorms for building economic and social institutions”
“A blockchain is a magic computer that anyone can upload programs to and leave the programs to self-execute”
“You can store data on them and that data is guaranteed to have a very high degree of availability”
And the whole “long tail” kind of reasoning

2022-12-24 06:41:26

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Now that I’ve typed out all of this, I realize it’s actually somewhat similar to Vitalik’s view of infrastructure
https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/04/13/visions-part-1-the-value-of-blockchain-technology

2022-12-24 06:38:45

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So, saying “what if we end up with Twitter 2” is like coming up with internet and HTML and browsers and then saying “what if a trillion dollar company uses all this tech to make a centralized online shop”

2022-12-24 06:35:30

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It doesn’t matter to me, because the bit I like about the potential future of Nostr isn’t a global Twitter, but world-scale infrastructure that anyone can use for any Twitter-like purpose + a set of general-purpose clients that work on all platforms

2022-12-24 06:31:54

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And yeah, it does mean that someone can build Twitter 2 on top of Nostr and say “our client will only ever show messages with kind=1337 signed with a private key that we store on our server, and we don’t want to display or send your kind=0 messages that Damus and everyone else sends”

2022-12-24 06:29:43

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So if I had to choose between “Nostr is a place where people can have niche communities and be in control” and “Nostr is a free, unlimited-use, realtime-delivery global message storage that anyone can interoperate with”, I pick the latter because I feel like it’s going to be more valuable

2022-12-24 06:26:54

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Like, I have a business and our landing page doesn’t say “here’s our Twitter”, it says “here’s our email”, and that’s where people send stuff like “hey we want to hire you and pay you money”
Many services have “sign up via Facebook” and so on, but all of them have “sign up by email”
I get push notifications for many things, but for most of them I either get additional email notifications or *only* email notifications
Email, despite starting as “humans sending things to each other”, became a glue protocol that anyone can use in unlimited quantities

2022-12-24 06:22:23

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Email is also — despite being shit for numerous reasons — still more valuable than Twitter and Telegram put together
Because while it’s fun to have a cozy community or send stickers to people or post takes on Twitter or see what someone semi-famous is up to, what I care about now is, vaguely speaking, “keeping the world running”

2022-12-24 06:18:49

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Out of those, Twitter and Telegram — regardless of the APIs etc — have a single authority. Email doesn’t. It doesn’t matter that realistically everyone uses Gmail, there’s still no single authority.

2022-12-24 06:17:29

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But first, here’s where I’m coming from:
There’s a ton of really cool infrastructure we have already, like:
- Twitter allows me to a) do public broadcasts that anyone with a phone can subscribe to, b) have public conversations with anyone on Twitter (and that’s a lot of people)
- Telegram allows me to a) do public broadcasts that anyone with a phone can subscribe to, b) have private chat rooms for anywhere between 3 and 200k people, c) call anyone who’s also using Telegram
- Email allows me to set up unlimited mailboxes that anyone can send text and files to

2022-12-24 06:01:32

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A sec, I’ll elaborate

2022-12-24 05:59:46

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Yeah, that’s why I said (somewhere earlier in the chain?) that nostr has to be used for vastly different purposes if it wants to be embrace-extend-extinguish resistant

2022-12-24 05:58:02

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Ok, to give an example specifically for public social media
If Twitter was built on Nostr, most people would still use the official client and the official server/relay and be exposed to the same content and interactions. Nothing changes here
What changes is that now I can start a new Twitter with 10x less effort

2022-12-24 05:53:37

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To me, the value of cheap/free infrastructure is that when you *really* need something better than the default, you can go and have it
Cheap infrastructure lowers the bar

2022-12-24 05:47:24

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Eg. take open source — yeah, Chrome (well, Chromium) is open source, but the absolute majority of people still use Chrome builds. So what. We still got a thousand projects built on Chromium that couldn’t be built otherwise

2022-12-24 05:46:16

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I really started appreciating “building better infrastructure” recently so I’m not worried
Like, if we live in a world where social media is decentralized by default, that’s already going to be awesome

2022-12-24 05:26:23

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Hey there

2022-12-24 05:17:11

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I think it’s “like”

2022-12-24 05:14:33

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Now I feel bitter because I was hoping for an amazing mind blowing solution and it’s just.. boring.. Bitcoin.. blockchain..
…man, I got used to the existence of the blockchain pretty quickly, huh

2022-12-24 05:13:00

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Specifically “instead of making a transaction, you send the hash to their server and it batches hashes and makes transactions on your behalf, and you don’t have to pay because someone is making donations to keep this running”

2022-12-24 05:09:47

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They send your data to the Bitcoin blockchain
The rest is optimization

2022-12-24 05:02:16

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(Or from auto-adding relays, yeah, but I feel like that won’t scale)

2022-12-24 05:01:28

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This depends on whether we end up with “relays are communities” or “relays are relays”
If somebody wants nostr to become a higher-level backbone for a bunch of diverse social media services, I feel like it’s impossible to get away from relays talking to each other

2022-12-24 04:56:55

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https://petertodd.org/2016/opentimestamps-announcement

2022-12-24 04:55:41

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#til about OTS

2022-12-24 04:46:01

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I suppose one of these will happen:
- most people will be on the same few relays
- or relays will have to start talking to each other
- or someone will get tired and create a single relay that aggregates a bunch of other relays (same as the first point I suppose)
- or “relay = community” will take off

2022-12-24 04:35:09

Anyone from #Warsaw here?

2022-12-24 04:32:47

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At least when I thought about successful cases of diversity in tech (C, TCP, browsers), that's what came to mind

2022-12-24 04:29:43

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Also, promote using nostr on diverse *sizes* of hardware
There will naturally be at least two completely different nostr clients if one has to run on embedded and the other on a MacBook

2022-12-24 04:27:03

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Bake nostr into something that can’t be upgraded :p
Like, harder to embrace-extend-extinguish when a lot of people have 10yr old hardware that has to remain compatible with the network

2022-12-24 04:23:17

Oh huh, I didn’t realize that relays don’t talk to each other in Nostr, I wonder how it will shape the network/features/experience

2022-12-24 04:02:50

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“…how thick is wall?”

2022-12-23 22:34:49

#[0] does damus support data:… urls for userpics? or is it a dumb idea

2022-12-23 20:48:05

what does the nostr ecosystem need that hasn’t been built yet?

2022-12-23 20:45:07

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Hej

2022-12-23 00:08:41

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You mean, you’re making another nostr app as well?

2022-12-22 21:35:00

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that’s an interesting question
#[2] was the discussion on early Twitter primarily about early Twitter?

2022-12-22 21:33:27

how exactly does nostr support different kinds of apps simultaneously?
like, if one app is Twitter-on-Nostr and the other app is group-chats-on-Nostr, do they both display the same messages but in a different way?
or do the apps tag messages with “this is a global broadcast, Twitter-like message” or “this is a group chat style message in conversation XYZ”? and ignore whatever message types they don’t know how to present?

2022-12-22 21:18:24

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thanks!

2022-12-22 21:03:29

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(Hm, how exactly do I @ people?)

2022-12-22 21:02:08

@damus 0.1.8 feels nicer! Everything loads faster and a bunch of tiny things got fixed. Thanks

2022-12-21 04:11:34

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yep
wazzup

2022-12-21 03:58:53