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2023-06-07 10:17:13

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📅 Original date posted:2012-06-17
📝 Original message:Hi,
I did describe a very similar thing back in January (also illustrated,
and, if I'm not mistaken, more simple and efficient to recalculate),
and I wanted to do a prototype, but I have been very busy with other
projects since then.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:DiThi/MTUT
I just saw Gavin left a comment in the talk page, I'm sorry I haven't
seen it earlier.
I think armory is the perfect client to implement such an idea. I sort
of waited it to be able to run in my laptop with 2 GB of RAM before
being sucked into other projects. I even lost track of its
development.
I hope this gets developed. I will be able to help after summer if
this is still not done.
DiThi
P.S: Sorry Peter, I've sent you the message privately by mistake.
Also, I don't quite understand your concern of "unbalancing" the tree.
2012/6/17 Peter Todd <pete at petertodd.org>:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 02:39:28PM -0400, Alan Reiner wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> With the flurry of discussion about blockchain compression, I
>> thought it was time to put forward my final, most-advanced idea,
>> into a single, well-thought-out, *illustrated*, forum post.
>> Please check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88208.0
>>
>> This is a huge undertaking, but it has some pretty huge benefits.
>> And it's actually feasible because it can be implemented without
>> disrupting the main network. I'm sure there's lots of issues with
>> it, but I'm putting it out there to see how it might be improved and
>> actually executed.
>>
>> ----
>> *Summary:
>>
>> */Use a special tree data structure to organize all unspent-TxOuts
>> on the network, and use the root of this tree to communicate its
>> "signature" between nodes. The leaves of this tree actually
>> correspond to addresses/scripts, and the data at the leaf is
>> actually a root of the unspent-TxOut list for that address/script.
>> To maintain security of the tree signatures, it will be included in
>> the header of an alternate blockchain, which will be secured by
>> merged mining.
>>
>> This provides the same compression as the simpler unspent-TxOut
>> merkle tree, but also gives nodes a way to download just the
>> unspent-TxOut list for each address in their wallet, and verify that
>> list directly against the blockheaders. Therefore, even lightweight
>> nodes can get full address information, from any untrusted peer, and
>> with only a tiny amount of downloaded data (a few kB). /*
>
> How are you going to prevent people from delibrately unbalancing the
> tree with addresses with chosen hashes?
>
> One idea that comes to mind, which unfortunately would make for a
> pseudo-network rule, is to simply say that any *new* address whose hash
> happens to be deeper in the tree than, say, 10*log(n), indicating it was
> probably chosen to be unbalanced, gets discarded. The "new address" part
> of the rule would be required, or else you could use the rule to get
> other people's addresses discarded.
>
> Having said that, such a rule just means that anyone playing games will
> find they can't spend *their* money, and only with pruning clients.
> Unrelated people will not be effected. The coins can also always be
> spent with a non-pruning client to an acceptable address, which can
> later re-spend on a pruning client.
>
>
> It also comes to mind is that with the popularity of firstbits it may be
> a good idea to use a comparison function that works last bit first...
>
>
> It's merkles all the way down...
>
> --
> 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
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2023-06-07 10:17:13

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2023-06-07 02:57:34

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📅 Original date posted:2012-01-24
📝 Original message:Hello,
I've written this proposal. C&P of the overview:
Satoshi's original paper describes a way of prunning spent
transactions in the blockchain to save storage space while it remains
consistent and verifiable, but it's useless for partial blockchain
downloads: while you can know if a given transaction is in the
blockchain, you can't know if it has been spent in a subsequent
transaction.
This proposal describes how to add a hash-tree based check in the
blockchain that allows to verify if a transaction is unspent without
downloading and checking all the blockchain. The idea is not new, but
at the time of this writing there isn't any technical description of
how this should be done. Aditionally, this solution is rather simple.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:DiThi/MTUT
Cheers
--
Alberto Torres Ruiz (a.k.a. DiThi)

2023-06-07 02:57:34

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