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2023-06-07 17:38:19

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📅 Original date posted:2015-08-27
📝 Original message:So you mean that,
1. Govt agencies already know about everything and anything this subject
is about, but passively.
2. Due to passive nature, the actions are post incident and not pre. So
there is a risk of many ticking time-bombs which some JB (Jack Bauer or
James Bond or Jai Singh Rathore) would diffuse. Sorry for being dramatic,
the purpose is to make the point, and nothing else.
3. The subjected proposal doesn't breach the decentralisation, but just
not like swiss democracy.
I am not a legal expert, but know this much that there are 2 kinds of
crimes, one against liberty and other against life. Most of online privacy
advocacy is for liberty. But money is attached to life and not liberty. So
this has to change. It means life for many and many depend on it.
And the appeal is, Let us get active.
PS: I do not own much of bitcoins to be an advocate, but many others do and
any mayhem would affect me somehow, even if in farthest of world.
Best,
Prabhat Kumar Singh
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:39 AM, prabhat <prabhatkr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So where is the solution? What to do?
>>
>
> This is a development list; organizations like https://coincenter.org/
> work on high-level policy issues.
>
> Last I heard, competent law enforcement organizations said they were
> perfectly capable of tracking down criminals using Bitcoin using
> traditional investigative techniques (like infiltrating criminal
> organizations or setting up honeypots). Given how many "dark markets" have
> either disappeared or been taken down, it seems they are correct.
>
> --
> --
> Gavin Andresen
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2023-06-07 17:38:19

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📅 Original date posted:2015-08-27
📝 Original message:I Truly respect your opinions.
Prabhat Kumar Singh
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Oliver Petruzel <opetruzel at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>But money is attached to life and not liberty
>
> I can't truly express in this email exactly how much I personally disagree
> with that statement/belief because I don't think the dev mailing list is
> the appropriate forum for such philosophical discussions.
>
> I will say this, though: I think you've missed much of the point of
> Bitcoin -- which "monetary or economic liberty" might perfectly describe --
> and, I sincerely hope that proposals such as yours never gain ANY traction
> in this community.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, your ideas are the antithesis of this entire
> experiment.
>
> I'd be glad to have this discussion over a beer and hookah any time, but I
> won't take up any more space or time with it here.
>
> Oliver
>
> PS: sorry everyone! I just couldn't let this one go without comment...
> I'll go back to my usual lurking and learning now. :)
>
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2023-06-07 17:38:18

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📅 Original date posted:2015-08-27
📝 Original message:Yes, on it.
Prabhat Kumar Singh
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 5:44 PM, <jl2012 at xbt.hk> wrote:
> Very good, I can't wait to see it. Please code it up and submit a pull
> request to github. Don't expect someone will do it for you.
>
> prabhat via bitcoin-dev 於 2015-08-27 08:06 寫到:
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> snip.
>>
>
>
> Folks, suggest something, scrap my idea, but let's build something to
>> save this ecosystem, otherwise it is impossible to realise this dream
>> of decentralized currency. Other coins and protocols are there who may
>> implement something, and egoists always meet the ashes.
>>
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2023-06-07 17:38:18

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📅 Original date posted:2015-08-27
📝 Original message:Fine point.
So where is the solution? What to do?
Prabhat Kumar Singh
Prabhat Kumar Singh
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Have you talked with anybody at the Bitcoin Foundation about this proposal?
>
> As Chief Scientist of the Foundation, I am strongly opposed to any
> proposal that puts the Foundation in a position of centralized authority,
> so this is unacceptable: "The Bitcoin Foundation will act as fair play
> party and enforcement body to control the misuse of vast financial powers
> which bitcoin has."
>
> The idea that a central organization can be trusted to keep secrets secure
> is just fundamentally wrong. In the very recent past we have seen
> government organizations fail in that task (the NSA, the OPM) and we see
> commercial organizations that SHOULD be highly motivated to do a good job
> also fail (e.g. the Ashley Madison leak).
>
> Even if it were technically possible, I would be opposed because
> decentralization is a bedrock principle of Bitcoin.
>
> --
> --
> Gavin Andresen
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2023-06-07 17:38:17

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📅 Original date posted:2015-08-27
📝 Original message:Thanks for the comments and feedback.
I have previously read those threads as suggested by some members.
In relation with transactions, I do agree with suggestions that they should
be left on their own, and assumed that people would work in the best
interest of themselves and society. Everything is debatable, but let's
agree with it.
But for miners, I can think of no other option to stop those who are
hashing and winning blocks+transaction fees and not in safe country
list(directly or indirectly).
Some have asked for proofs, but that is tough to substantiate. I have
hints, honestly.
Would you sit idle if Haqqani network is funded by bitcoin mining?
We have created a billion dollar market by bitcoin and ,sadly, for everyone
without borders. Sick, I am saying this, but freedom is more of
responsibility than celebrations of open hugs. And those who don't care
about it are threat for you and us, equally.
Folks, suggest something, scrap my idea, but let's build something to save
this ecosystem, otherwise it is impossible to realise this dream of
decentralized currency. Other coins and protocols are there who may
implement something, and egoists always meet the ashes.
Criticize with open mind.
Best,
Prabhat Kumar Singh
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Chris D'Costa <chrisjdcosta at gmail.com>
wrote:
> What evidence do you have that there is 'illicit miners and users' and
> that there are no illicit users of the non-bitcoin financial systems?
>
> I can buy drugs openly in Amsterdam for Euros, but cannot in the UK for
> sterling.
>
> Is the act of buying drugs somewhere in the world illicit activity or not?
>
>
>
> On 27 August 2015 at 10:10, prabhat via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am proposing to create a AML-KYC module to control the network and also
>> qualify use cases in OFAC compliant way.
>> Here is the attached doc.
>>
>> Please provide your feedback and suggestions.
>>
>> Best,
>> Prabhat Kumar Singh
>>
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2023-06-07 17:38:17

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📅 Original date posted:2015-08-31
📝 Original message:Thanks for nice decentralized discussion.
This wasn't and isn't a parody.
Mining is insecure (for society) and security is passive.
All the raised points are proven by esteemed members themselves.
Closing from my side.
Thanks,
God Bless,
Bye
Prabhat Kumar Singh
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 6:17 PM, s7r <s7r at sky-ip.org> wrote:
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> On 8/28/2015 5:00 AM, odinn via bitcoin-dev wrote:
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> > On 08/27/2015 01:10 AM, prabhat via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >
> >> I am proposing to create a AML-KYC module to control the network
> >> and also qualify use cases in OFAC compliant way. Here is the
> >> attached doc.
> >
> >> Please provide your feedback and suggestions.
> >
> >> Best, Prabhat Kumar Singh
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2023-06-07 17:38:14

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📅 Original date posted:2015-08-27
📝 Original message:Hi,
I am proposing to create a AML-KYC module to control the network and also
qualify use cases in OFAC compliant way.
Here is the attached doc.
Please provide your feedback and suggestions.
Best,
Prabhat Kumar Singh
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Title: A AML KYC enforcement mechanism to regulate OFAC(and similar others) from Mining
==Abstract==
The document gives specification for dealing with mining and transactions in sactioned countries to follow OFAC regulations in Bitcoin.
==Motivation==
For so long, miners in sanctioned countries or miners with illicit motives have been able to enmasse wealth by bitcoins which might or might not have been funding wrong doings of one or many non-mainstream social activities, like terrorism, human traffiking, drugs, rights abuse and many more of similar or advance nature. It is important for bitcoin community to realise the responsibility to put a control on such elements and at the same time uphold the values of bitcoin's decentralised and democratic money system. The same applies for transactions orgininating to or from such sanctioned countries.
==Specification==
To counter this problem, an bitcoin account can be centrally created in control and/or oversight of Bitcoin Foundation which should be allowed to do 0-sum transactions with a Memo Flag of BLOCK or ALLOW. And empty memo transaction has no impact. And this should be considered in consensus protocol for transaction confirmation, to BLOCK or ALLOW transactions in an account if the immediate previous transaction is BLOCK or ALLOW in that account, respectively.
==Rationale==
The Bitcoin Foundation will act as fair play party and enforcement body to control the misuse of vast financial powers which bitcoin has. The BLOCK and ALLOW is end action of a possible upstream review process for every account on the bitcoin network. The freedom of unchecked mining, poses a certain threat today and even bigger threats in future.
Even if someone is BLOCKed due to certain clerical mistakes, the process has ALLOW functionality. And if law enforcement comes with more substantial reasons of BLOCKing an account, the same be done multiple times.
We are a world of human beings with rationale, who have abilities to talk, listen and communicate. Therefore, a human to human touch can never be negated in however powerful computerisation.
==Backward compatibility==
The new consensus protocol could seem unfavourable to some due to many reasons. After listening to all parties, even if some nodes would opt to stay in old protocol, they won't be able to join the new protocol ever. This would be a hard fork and natural cleanup of bitcoin protocol from illicit miners and users.
==Implementation==
The implementation is in progress. The detail code will be shared soon.
==Acknowledgements==
It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.- Mahatma Gandhi