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2025-04-01 20:43:55

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The relevant one appears to be “no material support (including dissemination of propaganda) for US designated terror orgs”
Unlike American citizens, visa holders are allowed to remain in the United States only conditionally, and can be deported for violating visa terms - including speech that qualifies as support for terrorism - even without a criminal conviction. Immigration law operates separately from criminal law (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B), § 1227(a)(4)(B)).
Because deportation is an administrative, not criminal, proceeding, the burden of proof is lower, there is no right to a jury trial, and no right to a public defender.

2025-04-01 15:13:29

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Convictions are for crimes
They aren’t being accused of any crime because there is no criminal code for speech in the United States
They have been found violating the terms of their visa and they shall be deported.

2025-04-01 10:14:26

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And they do. But if they violate the terms of their visas they are deported.

2025-04-01 00:08:09

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There’s nothing to charge. It’s a violation of visa terms, not a crime. Like overstaying a tourist visa. It doesn’t mean you’re a criminal, just that you violated the terms of your stay and are now eligible for deportation.

2025-04-01 00:06:17

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8 U.S. Code § 1182(a)(3)(B)
I don’t know what to tell you
A visa isn’t a right, it’s a privilege. If you want to keep it, you abide by its terms. One of the terms is you don’t support US designated terror orgs.
You can lie on your visa and say you don’t support the KKK but if the government finds out that you do, your visa is revoked.

2025-03-31 23:51:38

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But as you said, speech isn’t a crime so there is nothing to charge. We’re talking about visa revocation.

2025-03-31 23:50:41

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Turns out we don’t need to go by what any one person “wants” because the law actually allows for deportation in the case of visa holders who support US-designated terror groups
If someone states their support for a terror org on their visa application it can and should get denied (non-admittance). If someone starts supporting the KKK after they arrive, they can and should be deported (revocation).
It’s actually a smart solution if you think about it. Why would we import KKK en masse? What on earth for? To what end?

2025-03-31 23:30:03

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look at it from the other side
Don’t you think that being allowed into a country no matter what your beliefs are is wrong?
What if there was a group of immigrants who cheered for the KKK and Dylan Roof in college campuses, hanging nooses and harassing African Americans.
Do we need to keep them too?

2025-03-31 23:12:33

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Thousands of years? Arabian peninsula
Hundreds of years? Egypt

2025-03-31 23:07:54

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8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)
Any material support for US designated terrorist groups (including disseminating propaganda) is reason enough for non-admission or deportation of non-citizens
Open shut
The real problem isn’t that they’re getting deported, it’s that they were not suitably vetted in the first place.

2025-03-31 22:11:36

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This is what years of lax immigration policy gets you
People who came here to harass Americans or minority groups should never have been allowed into the country in the first place
Look at how bad things have got in the UK. Believe it or not, this is the moderate solution.