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I post mostly about the fediverse. Formerly on Mastodon.Technology

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2023-06-28 17:29:47

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@npub14xv…caxt
https://programming.dev/
https://lemmyverse.net/

2023-06-26 20:28:06

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@npub1qjs…p9uj agree. the quality of posting there seems high.
I have a suspicion that lemmy could end up as the most sucessful part of the fediverse.

2023-06-26 20:05:45

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@npub1qjs…p9uj these numbers: 50,000 active users in the last month don't include the one million plus bot wave.... at least there doesn't seem to be any widespread sentiment that much posting is being done by bots. The bots are mostly dormant it would seem and most lemmies have put in place measures to prevent bot sign-ups and defederate from rogue instances. imho from what I have seen on lemmy, the 50,000 active users seems very plausible.

2023-06-26 20:01:00

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@npub1pg3…9a8a they kept the branding after being bought by IBM. Rocky Linux seems to be a good replacement.

2023-06-26 19:56:55

The massive growth of the threadiverse shows no sign of slowing down:
https://lemmy.world/post/632941
#kbin #lemmy #threadiverse

2023-06-23 14:34:29

Fascinating article by long time fedizen Ploum dealing with their first hand experiences with how the Embrace Extend Extinguish playbook employed by Big Tech companies damaged some of the most promising technologies and how those experiences might apply to Facebook's 'embrace' of the fediverse.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
original post: https://mamot.fr/@ploum/110592927528061735

2023-06-23 11:53:43

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@npub1y0u…clh4 Stux, the admin of masto.ai has set up a lemmy
https://geddit.social/
and a kbin https://forum.fail
The lemmy software is more mature; kbin still has to iron out some glitches.

2023-06-23 11:27:54

Fosstodon admin Kev turned down Facebook's offer of a 'roundtable' meeting.
Discussion thread on lemmy:
https://beehaw.org/post/715934
Kev's original post: https://fosstodon.org/@kev/110592625692688836
#Facebook #Lemmy

2023-06-22 23:39:18

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@npub1qwt…ykff I don't think there's any doubt but that the 'threadiverse' could eat into Hackernews ' market share. They are very similar.
There are a few lemmies which currently occupy a similar space including
https://programming.dev

2023-06-22 11:17:45

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@npub1h4d…vng6 there is a bot which publishes domains @npub1wl4…h64y

2023-06-22 09:42:04

Term of the day
Mastodon H.O.A.
noun. pejorative(negative)
busybodies about the fediverse who stick their nose into other people's business, tell people who they shouldn't talk to and what phrases, terminology are unacceptable.
notorious for refusing to let bygones be bygones and dredge up irrelevancies from years ago.
Mastodon Homeowners Association.
#TermOfTheDay #WordOfTheDay

2023-06-21 22:55:14

What is interesting about lemmy is that you can start a thread on a different server. You can't follow people on lemmy, just communities. It seems that this model results in a network with topics are a central feature whereas on Mastodon the central feature is the individual account.
I've always found the microverse(mastodon) to be a poor place for discussions; they tend to be way to disjointed, spread out.
The character limit on posts on most Mastodon servers also results in people limiting..

2023-06-21 22:45:25

The lemmyverse's opinions on the whole Facebook federating situation.
https://geddit.social/post/25976
https://kbin.social/m/fediverse/t/62958
#lemmy #facebook #threadiverse

2023-06-21 22:07:22

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@npub1gzq…syez migrating posts is not possible yet(if it ever will be). You can download an archive. You could then maybe repost some of your favorite posts but boosts, favs linked replies etc would be lost.
I don't know how Tusky works but from the web interface you can go to Preferences then Import and Export.

2023-06-21 21:38:09

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@npub15eu…lcpr I think it is pretty clear we are not going to agree on this.

2023-06-21 21:31:42

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@npub15eu…lcpr this goes back to the 'learned helplessness' I referenced earlier. It probably also ties in with deliberate confusing statements disseminated to confuse people. I wonder who promoted them *sarcasm*.
Amazing how people can choose a restaurant from hundreds but some would have you believe choosing a fediverse instance is vastly complicated.

2023-06-21 21:26:51

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@npub15eu…lcpr I am understanding what you are saying and I disagree. I posted specific steps to opening a typical social network account. I believe the average internet user can achieve these steps. Which step do you not believe they can achieve or do you just believe they can't string 5 simple steps together.

2023-06-21 21:26:51

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2023-06-21 21:19:32

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@npub19uy…h4df
"How would competing platforms benefit from partnerships?"
One example of how ostensibly competing companies benefit from parterships is with cartels, which often pretend to compete while secretly dividing up markets.
I'm not implying that that is what is happening here.

2023-06-21 21:15:18

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@npub15eu…lcpr Sure the average internet user has a certain 'learned helplessness'. But they do, mostly, have the ability to navigate to a URL, choose a username, enter an email address, open their email, click on an activation link, return to URL and start pressing partly familiar, partly new buttons on a slightly different user interface. The idea of tech skills being required to use 'Mastodon' is vastly over-promoted.

2023-06-21 21:15:18

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2023-06-21 21:10:01

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@npub19uy…h4df
The idea about damaging Twitter is interesting. It is certainly logical.
I'd caution that a stronger incentive might be for Facebook and Twitter to act in solidarity with each other against ActivityPub rather than trying to destroy eachother because the outcome might be that they both lose.

2023-06-21 21:00:15

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@npub15eu…lcpr So for the opportunity to attract a million or two million people Facebook connects their network of 2 billion people to the ActivityPub network. Seems to me the danger of some of their 2 billion jumping ship far outweighs the opportunity cost.

2023-06-21 21:00:15

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2023-06-21 20:38:23

I'm becoming more suspicious of Facebook's project to integrate a new service into the fediverse.
It makes absolutely no sense.
An open 'social network protocol' and its implementaions are a threat to multi-billion companies like Facebook who absolutely need to retain tight control over their user base to extract profits.
Once plugged in the danger of their user base 'escaping' through the new connection is large.
But I still can't quite pin down why they are doing it.
Maybe sabotage.

2023-06-21 20:38:23

2023-06-20 19:51:44

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@npub1mdm…fcmg Thanks. I'd forgotten it posted through to lemmy. [I posted from Mastodon]

2023-06-20 19:49:50

apparently Gargron knows what a back button is but not a forward one
#MastoDev

2023-06-20 19:37:05

To see what new communities are being created in the lemmyverse/threadiverse you can follow:
@npub1xgu…ls9x
#lemmy #threadiverse

2023-06-20 19:25:46

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@npub14aa…72lh
List of instances that will be blocking Facebook's fedi servers:
https://fedipact.online/

2023-06-20 18:46:57

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@npub16nf…nmp8
......
2. Re: admins not consulting users. This is sadly mostly true. The communications to 'users' in fedi are poor although I suspect much superior to how Facebook, Twitter users are treated.
**- A big movement toward transparent-as-in-fully-public, deliberative, participatory governance for all the big instances.** This is badly needed.
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2023-06-20 18:44:35

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@npub16nf…nmp8
1. I've seen the exact opposite view promoted within the fediverse for the past 5 years: that its design is anti-viral, that it does not provide a good space for the dissemination of disinfo, and from my own partial view of the fediverse I would agree that it does not appear to do so.
The fediverse of the past 6 months is much bigger so it is possible it has changed.
[Facebook NDAs are a recipe for rumour; fedizens have a right to speculate about what may be happening.]
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2023-06-19 23:27:36

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@npub1lrv…tth9 pretty sure big tech have destroyed the promise that the web held out turning it into a surveillance capitalist's dream. Blocking Facebook, Google and Twitter in the fediverse is a good thing.

2023-06-19 22:29:32

anit-Facebook movement on fedi:
https://fedipact.online/

2023-06-19 21:39:16

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@npub15n9…egng
I'm not sure which parts, if any, you like. Is it the part where some control is taken over attracting people to fedi and newcomers are steered in a certain direction?
You might have better insight into well-designed decision making systems than I do. It just seemed it would be an improvement on unilateral admin decisions coming out of nowhere which is what 95% of fedi experiences.
I'm not 100% sure managing many small instances would be less work than managing one big one.

2023-06-19 19:38:07

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various semi-related threads. Will edit as more links are found:
https://mastodon.social/@lufthans/110562133748920846

2023-06-19 19:23:56

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....
But with various massive events now taking place in the fediverse(Facebook, threadiverse) it is beyond time for a big push to get such an instance off the ground.
I can't recall any hashtag that has been associated with such an idea but perhaps one will emerge. fedicentral or fedilaunchpad or something.
The mods, admins, founders etc would have to be diverse otherwise it wll fail.
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2023-06-19 19:23:16

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...Such an instance would need a lot of support from perhaps 50 people, (fedizens, admins, instance owners) to gain widespread acceptance. It would actively set up a website to bypass join-mastodon.com or whatever it is called.
As the years have passed the idea has never materialised as YATB (yet another techbro) has instead set up their own instance.
continued...
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2023-06-19 19:21:57

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..its purpose would be to attract many newcomers to fedi who would otherwise end up on some generic non-democratic server.
A concerted effort would be made to inform account holders about other good communities in the fediverse and encourage them to migrate their accounts there after they find their feet.
It would not be selfiishly trying to hold on to people.
continued...
2/?

2023-06-19 19:20:18

So an idea that has been floating around fedi for years is the idea that large instances like mastodon dot social are not really serving fedi's best interests. They do to some extent obviously by getting people into fedi but beyond that not much.
The idea is that a 'big instance' would be set up that is radically community managed. That is defederations, expulsions etc would be voted on, democratically. Unilateral admin decisions would not be possible.
The instance would be big because..
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2023-06-18 22:19:09

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@npub1psy…pasy but we still don't know who they met and what was discussed. NDA was a bad idea to begin with.
There are about 3 million active users of the fediverse and billion dollar company targeted, what five, six, ten individuals?

2023-06-18 21:55:32

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@npub1qjs…p9uj one solution to the 'big instance' problem might be if the anti-bigtech people of the fediverse organise to start a large instance that would be much more consistent with an anti-big tech fediverse. Because after all if the dot socials and universeodons get to attract the most new people to the fedi it inevitably pollutes the environment(even if they are silenced/defederated). Of course it is a big project and will take some organising....
cc: @npub1k08…6xvn

2023-06-18 21:37:39

trending hashtag #FediPact

2023-06-18 21:29:57

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@npub1g97…ynm9
https://beach.city/@vantablack/110565941741382039

2023-06-18 21:26:54

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@npub1qjs…p9uj agree with your sentiments.
One caveat is that whilst Gargron has not been the best of communicators 'to the fediverse as a whole' over the years he has mostly been on 'our' side.
I don't trust Meta and I don't trust anyone to be able to resist a large cheque from them but Gargron should not be lumped into the same category as Meta - not yet at least.
Also fedi 'is different'. If the worst comes to the worst it has safeguards, (Foss, defederations, moving instance etc.) built in.

2023-06-18 18:29:25

This Facebook NDA thing has all the makings of a massive split in the microverse.
Choice a: choose a psychopathic multi-centi-billion dollar company
Choice b: choose the fediverse
#fediverse #Facebook

2023-06-18 18:21:04

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@npub1094…2wum pretty sure it is not just a rumour.

2023-06-18 17:53:53

Reminder that https://mastodon.art is probably the best mastodon instance.
https://s3.masto.ai/media_attachments/files/110/566/480/223/344/676/original/a37473ae70f8dcfd.png

2023-06-18 17:34:29

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@npub1zxf…lmun @npub17d6…nyvw
all the signs are that yes, this has happened. Facebook are rumoured to be making these approaches.
https://beach.city/@vantablack/110565941741382039 (you can paste this link in your search bar)

2023-06-18 17:25:39

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@npub1k08…6xvn
this is a really good idea. Say #kolektiva providing a mastodon, lemmy, funkwhale, pixelfed, peertube etc. to all users. I think any communities that do this in an organised fashion would gain a lot of new users..... but it is a lot of work. Would love to see mastodon.art do this.

2023-06-18 17:08:22

Ways not to ingratiate yourself with the fediverse:
Be a trillion dollar company and approach fedi devs secretly and make them sign non-disclosure agreements with you so they can be sued if they reveal the details of your communications.
Big tech bullshit.
#FediMeta #fedi #fediverse

2023-06-18 16:52:04

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@npub1h4d…vng6 must be a problem with your instance I think. It worked for me from masto.ai

2023-06-18 16:49:47

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@npub1h4d…vng6
like this?
vote ABCD
[your track was really good by the way]

2023-06-18 16:27:30

https://u.fail has shut down and is now being replaced by https://geddit.social
link: https://mstdn.social/@stux/110565072916637281
#FediNews

2023-06-17 19:05:01

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@npub13ra…yg45 such as joining the fediverse?

2023-06-17 18:58:18

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@npub1dxg…lv39 I can't see the 'threadiverse quieting down anytime soon.
From what I can see there are a lot of very active, very opinionated new people who have just crash-landed in the fediverse and the years of slow development and maturation that Mastodon went through will have to happen all over again.
Compared to mastodon the threadiverse is very loud.

2023-06-17 18:15:55

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threadiverse vs. reddit
https://lemmy.ml/post/1316174
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/14briu5/hey_rpiracy_reddit_admins_demodded_the_captain/
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com
https://startrek.website
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2023-06-17 18:14:57

As thousands of mods defy reddit and keep their subreddits dark reddit appear to be taking substantial actions with reports of mods being stripped of their positions and subreddits handed to more compliant mods.
As long as you are on reddit, reddit will always control the 'root' account.
/r/piracy and /r/startrek which famously opened lemmies have now been co-erced into opening back up.
https://reddark.untone.uk/
further links in reply....
#reddit #fediverse #fedipol
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2023-06-17 15:58:44

days since the fediverse was offline: 3210
next anticipated: unclear
#fedi

2023-06-16 20:19:58

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@npub1jeq…jglm how terrible to suffer the same fate as mastodon:
12,500,735 accounts
+2,597 in the last hour
+64,969 in the last day
+283,802 in the last week
source:
https://mastodon.social/@mastodonusercount/110555668394528723

2023-06-16 19:16:21

follow @npub1xgu…ls9x for details of new communities popping up in the threadiverse/lemmyverse
#lemmy #lemmyverse #threadiverse

2023-06-16 18:55:42

stux's lemmy has been up only 2 days and there are 50 people logged in
https://u.fail
https://s3.masto.ai/media_attachments/files/110/555/403/259/040/026/original/a2f23ec0895b80d4.png

2023-06-16 18:42:18

The fedivision song contest is now in its third year:
https://fedivision.party/
Voting is open until Sunday (less than 2 days to vote)
https://botsin.space/@fedivision/110531380304588081

2023-06-16 18:10:53

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@npub1juf…zln2 you join one instance just like for Mastodon/Pleroma etc. and then you can subscribe to communities from other instances.
https://join-lemmy.org/
https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
https://lemmyverse.net/
there is also kbin: https://kbin.social
but there are mixed reports about how operational the code is since it is in relatively early development.
[I don't know about gaming but this exists https://lemmy.world/c/paradoxgames ]

2023-06-16 16:23:02

When the 'landed gentry'* got to big for their boots the 'nobility'*, fearing for their position, looked wildly about for the longest time and eventually perceived the mass of 'peasants'* that they had for so long ignored.
'Good people' they intoned those greedy 'landed gentry' have for too long tricked us into putting their interests ahead of yours.
Glossary:
landed gentry: unpaid moderators
nobility: nobility
peasants: peasants
#reddit

2023-06-14 16:20:41

Interested in setting up your own lemmy?
Managed lemmy hosting:
https://elest.io/open-source/lemmy
#lemmy #reddit #RedditMigration

2023-05-10 23:35:24

The notion of #Bluesky being promoted as a benevolent, open, decentralised standard for the social web never did add up:
* it was funded by Twitter which stands to lose a 44Bn market share if an open, decentralised alternative thrives
* it dilutes an already existing and thriving incumbent: the fediverse (which uses a different protocol: ActivityPub)
* it was secretive about its project, the exact opposite of what an open standard requires
Conclusion: Bluesky is probably a sabotage effort

2023-05-06 18:17:58

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@npub1g8e…qdqf re: moderation. I think the success of 'Mastodon' as regards distributed moderation is superior to, say, Twitter's which is centralised.
Rumour has it Bluesky outsources moderation and also uses AI.
Outsourcing it does not sound like a recipe for success. Using AI as a helping tool for human moderators is ok but if it is over-relied on it too is not a recipe for success
I don't see any social network beating the decentralised, distributed, human, fediverse moderation system.