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2023-10-18 13:02:10

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🔖 Title: Batch exchange withdrawal to lightning requires covenants
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, bitcoin-dev
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2023-10-18 13:02:10

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🔖 Title: Batch exchange withdrawal to lightning requires covenants
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-10-18 13:02:09

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🔖 Title: Full Disclosure: CVE-2023-40231 / CVE-2023-40232 / CVE-2023-40233 / CVE-2023-40234 "All your mempool are belong to us"
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, bitcoin-dev
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2023-10-18 13:02:08

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🔖 Title: Full Disclosure: CVE-2023-40231 / CVE-2023-40232 / CVE-2023-40233 / CVE-2023-40234 "All your mempool are belong to us"
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-10-18 13:02:07

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🔖 Title: Scaling Lightning With Simple Covenants
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, bitcoin-dev
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2023-10-18 13:02:07

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🔖 Title: SimLN: Simulate active test networks
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2023-10-18 13:02:06

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🔖 Title: Payment Splitting & Switching and its impact on Balance Discovery Attacks (preprint)
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2023-09-19 10:19:29

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🔖 Title: Sidepools For Improving Payment Reliability At Scale
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-09-12 08:59:58

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🔖 Title: Scaling Lightning With Simple Covenants
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-08-24 10:07:38

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🔖 Title: Disclosure: Fake channel DoS vector
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2023-08-16 00:49:03

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🔖 Title: Resumable channels using OP_CHECKSIGFROMSTACK
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2023-08-03 17:33:21

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🔖 Title: LN Summit 2023 Notes
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2023-08-02 22:15:37

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🔖 Title: Jamming Mitigation Dry Run
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-30 22:54:54

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🔖 Title: Multipath Keysend
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-30 22:54:53

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🔖 Title: Specification Meeting Transcripts
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-27 00:22:35

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🔖 Title: Equalizing Packet Size
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-27 00:22:35

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🔖 Title: Blinded Paths Doom Scenario
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-21 12:47:43

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🔖 Title: LN Summit 2023 Notes
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-19 02:08:02

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🔖 Title: option_simple_close for "unfailable" closing
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-17 13:04:44

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🔖 Title: An Open Source Framework to Collect Lightning Network Metrics
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-10 19:01:44

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🔖 Title: Potential vulnerability in Lightning backends: BOLT-11 "payment hash" does not commit to payment!
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-06 09:11:17

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🔖 Title: HTLC Endorsement for Jamming Mitigation
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-07-03 12:53:35

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🔖 Title: Computing Blinding Factors in a PTLC and Trampoline World
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2023-07-03 09:29:50

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🔖 Title: BOLT cleanup: removing features, assuming others
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2023-06-29 19:37:02

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🔖 Title: Equalizing Packet Size
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2023-06-29 16:47:04

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🔖 Title: Computing Blinding Factors in a PTLC and Trampoline World
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2023-06-29 16:47:03

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🔖 Title: VLS Beta 1 released
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-26 21:25:20

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🔖 Title: LN summit organisation (nully0x)
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-23 13:42:33

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🔖 Title: LN Summit 2024 Organization
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2023-06-19 17:42:41

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🔖 Title: Potential vulnerability in Lightning backends: BOLT-11 "payment hash" does not commit to payment!
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-19 17:42:40

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🔖 Title: HTLC Endorsement for Jamming Mitigation
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-19 17:42:37

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🔖 Title: Solving Lightning Jamming and beyond with Staking Credentials: a Protocol Walkthrough
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2023-06-19 17:42:36

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🔖 Title: Release Announcement v23.05: Austin Texas Agreement(ATXA)
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2023-06-19 17:42:35

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🔖 Title: Jamming call May 15th
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-19 17:42:31

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🔖 Title: Fixing a griefing attack on JIT Channels using PTLCs
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-19 17:42:29

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🔖 Title: PTLC/HTLC with Reusable Static Invoices
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, Proposal, Payment Route Reservation
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2023-06-19 17:42:21

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🔖 Title: HTLC Endorsement for Jamming Mitigation
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2023-06-19 17:42:17

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🔖 Title: Liquidity griefing for 0-conf dual-funded txs
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-19 17:42:15

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🔖 Title: Call For Review - LSPSpec LSPS1 LSPS2
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-19 17:42:13

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🔖 Title: Spending `to_local` output of commitment
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-19 17:42:11

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🔖 Title: A new Bitcoin implementation integrated with Core Lightning
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-19 17:42:03

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🔖 Title: A Note on Public Communication
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2023-06-14 14:16:41

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🔖 Title: Proposal: Bundled payments
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
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2023-06-14 14:16:40

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🔖 Title: Bitcoin mail list needs an explicit moderation policy
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, bitcoin-dev
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2023-06-09 13:13:27

🔖 Title: In Response to Peter Todd | secureanonymoussurfing.com
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Secure Anonymous Surfing ( @npub1v0v…3nlw )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-06-03
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 2457

2023-06-09 13:13:27

🔖 Title: Today’s Spam
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Matt Corallo ( @npub1e46…xmcu )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-06-04
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 95

2023-06-09 13:13:27

🔖 Title: Liquidity griefing for 0-conf dual-funded txs
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Bastien TEINTURIER ( @npub17fj…tr0s )
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Antoine Riard warns that the Lightning Network may be vulnerable to liquidity griefing, suggesting that other solutions like the Staking Credentials framework may need to be explored. Meanwhile, Bastien TEINTURIER proposes using v3 transactions for channel funding and splicing as a mid-term solution to mempool pinning issues, and suggests implementing policies like disabling inbound payments or using longer `cltv_expiry_delta`.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-06-06 to 2023-06-07
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 17462

2023-06-09 13:13:26

🔖 Title: Lightning Network
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Secure Anonymous Surfing ( @npub1v0v…3nlw )
• Satoshi Nakamoto ( @npub1xqj…arvv )
• Peter Todd ( @npub1m23…2np2 )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Satoshi Nakamoto praises the Lightning Network for its ability to conduct global business with fast and secure lightning payments, processing more transactions than any financial instrument. He also responds to Peter Todd's false statements about a domain and adds lightning addresses to prove his identity and prevent lawsuits.
📅 Messages Date: 2023-06-03
✉️ Message Count: 3
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 7554

2023-06-09 13:13:25

🔖 Title: Bitcoin mail list needs an explicit moderation policy
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Bryan Bishop ( @npub1vtw…sjpg )
• Dr Maxim Orlovsky ( @npub1a80…pwgy )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: A proposal has been made to replace the current moderator of the bitcoin-dev mailing list due to allegations of abuse of power and a lack of clear moderation policies, according to developer Bryan Bishop.
📅 Messages Date: 2023-06-02
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 11198

2023-06-09 13:13:24

🔖 Title: Release Announcement v23.05: Austin Texas Agreement(ATXA)
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Shahana Farooqui ( @npub1jcu…fat2 )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-05-12
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 2133

2023-06-09 13:13:24

🔖 Title: Jamming call May 15th
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Clara Shikhelman ( @npub1uyh…9vwk )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-05-11
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 728

2023-06-09 13:13:24

🔖 Title: Solving Lightning Jamming and beyond with Staking Credentials: a Protocol Walkthrough
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-05-24
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 7272

2023-06-09 13:13:22

🔖 Title: PTLC/HTLC with Reusable Static Invoices
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, Proposal, Payment Route Reservation
👥 Authors: g0b1el ( @npub1rsz…p2yt )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-05-09
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 23074

2023-06-09 13:13:22

🔖 Title: Fixing a griefing attack on JIT Channels using PTLCs
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• ZmnSCPxj ( @npub1g5z…ms3l )
• SomberNight ( @npub1r3w…8xs3 )
• Ben Carman ( @npub17lt…7hwm )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: A potential griefing attack on LSPs providing Just-In-Time channels can be prevented by using PTLCs to sign the funding transaction. However, there is a potential issue with using PTLCs as clients can wait out the inbound PTLC, forcing the LSP to perform an onchain action. The text discusses possible mitigations for trust issues in Lightning Network transactions.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-05-09 to 2023-05-10
✉️ Message Count: 4
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 14336

2023-06-09 13:13:17

🔖 Title: HTLC Endorsement for Jamming Mitigation
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
• Vincenzo Palazzo ( @npub1ag2…vd3v )
• Michael Folkson ( @npub103y…kpam )
• Carla Kirk-Cohen ( @npub17xu…nw36 )
• Christian Decker ( @npub1wtx…tuyn )
• Clara Shikhelman ( @npub1uyh…9vwk )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: The Lightning Network community is exploring reputation systems to mitigate channel jamming, but there are concerns about sudden behavioral changes and whitewashing attacks. The HTLC endorsement scheme proposed for routing fees is vulnerable to abuse, and reputation revenue is used to estimate the damage an attacker can create. The lack of transitivity of reputation acquisition cost between hops in a payment path raises vulnerability issues for the endorsement scheme. The weekly call for gathering data on HTLC endorsement and local reputation tracking for jamming mitigation will take place on May 1st.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-05-06 to 2023-05-31
✉️ Message Count: 14
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 55227

2023-06-09 13:13:15

🔖 Title: Liquidity griefing for 0-conf dual-funded txs
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• ZmnSCPxj ( @npub1g5z…ms3l )
• Bastien TEINTURIER ( @npub17fj…tr0s )
• Matt Morehouse ( @npub1zgy…j4mf )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: The Lightning Network's dual funded transactions face challenges in protecting against liquidity griefing attacks. One proposed solution is to never lock UTXOs used in the transactions, but this falls short when using 0-conf. Another proposal is to lock UTXOs after tx_complete exchange if the channel has only one contributor and to differentiate 0-conf channels prior to UTXO selection to avoid reusing soft-locked UTXOs. However, this may not work for splicing.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-05-05 to 2023-05-10
✉️ Message Count: 5
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 26852

2023-06-09 13:13:14

🔖 Title: Call For Review - LSPSpec LSPS1 LSPS2
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• ZmnSCPxj ( @npub1g5z…ms3l )
• Severin Bühler ( @npub193u…ftan )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: The LSPSpec group has created two specifications for Lightning Service Providers to ensure interoperability between wallets and LSPs. ZmnSCPxj suggests an open specification for LSPs to allow users to switch providers and protect their data. Wallet implementors should consider implementing client-side interfaces for LSPS specifications, which use a single BOLT8 message ID for all communications.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-05-05 to 2023-05-07
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 7377

2023-06-09 13:13:13

🔖 Title: Spending `to_local` output of commitment
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Keagan McClelland ( @npub1f2n…s289 )
• Benjamin Weintraub ( @npub16jy…9gxw )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: A user needs help generating a transaction to spend to_local and HTLC output after a force close of a channel in LND. Keagan explains that LND automatically handles their submission after the delay period.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-05-02 to 2023-05-19
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 12737

2023-06-09 13:13:12

🔖 Title: A new Bitcoin implementation integrated with Core Lightning
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Jorge Timón ( @npub1fx9…l2d8 )
• Matt Corallo ( @npub1e46…xmcu )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Unfortunately, a summary cannot be provided as the text is not available.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-05-02 to 2023-05-06
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 7966

2023-06-09 13:13:07

🔖 Title: HTLC Endorsement for Jamming Mitigation
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Carla Kirk-Cohen ( @npub17xu…nw36 )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-04-28
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 2558

2023-06-09 13:13:07

🔖 Title: A Note on Public Communication
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Tony Giorgio ( @npub1a3n…w4e3 )
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
• Vincenzo Palazzo ( @npub1ag2…vd3v )
• Keagan McClelland ( @npub1f2n…s289 )
• Michael Folkson ( @npub103y…kpam )
• Aymeric Vitte ( @npub15fc…5grz )
• alicexbt ( @npub1w30…zhn2 )
• Jorge Timón ( @npub1fx9…l2d8 )
• Bryan Bishop ( @npub1vtw…sjpg )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Members of the Lightning community discuss the importance of public communication for technical discussions and decision-making. Concerns are raised about the lack of public communication due to off-topic emails and slow moderation, prompting discussion of alternative communication methods. Suggestions are made to add more moderators to the mailing list and find a better platform without losing accessibility and history. The importance of avoiding off-topic discussions is emphasized to prevent a lack of discussion.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-05-02 to 2023-05-12
✉️ Message Count: 12
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 60062

2023-06-09 13:13:05

🔖 Title: A Note on Public Communication
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• niftynei ( @npub1zzy…peqx )
• Vincenzo Palazzo ( @npub1ag2…vd3v )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: The Lightning community stresses the significance of public communication in technical discussions to document options and encourage new participants to contribute. This includes using IRC, mailing lists, and Github to document technical decisions.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-04-24 to 2023-04-30
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 1993

2023-06-09 13:13:04

🔖 Title: A new Bitcoin implementation integrated with Core Lightning
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, bitcoin-dev
👥 Authors:
• Michael Folkson ( @npub103y…kpam )
• Kostas Karasavvas ( @npub1tqa…3e9m )
• Vincenzo Palazzo ( @npub1ag2…vd3v )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: The proposal for tighter coupling between full nodes and Lightning nodes was discussed, but the complexity argument for separation of concerns remains strong. Default policy changes for Lightning are scattered and not formalized, making it difficult to follow. Separating consensus logic may be a more practical goal. Vincent discusses the decoupling of CLN from the block source, plans to work on Nakamoto, and the need for a unified approach to fee calculation.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-04-19 to 2023-04-30
✉️ Message Count: 3
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 17657

2023-06-09 13:13:02

🔖 Title: Splice Lock Race Condition Solution
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Dustin Dettmer ( @npub1x54…qsqu )
• Bastien TEINTURIER ( @npub17fj…tr0s )
• Dusty Daemon ( @npub1kah…mafd )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: A race condition in the `splice_locked` workflow affects `commitment_signed` and `announcement_signatures` messages. Implementations must handle this edge case correctly to avoid breaking during the splice lock process. Storing the last_short_channel_id is crucial to ignore invalid messages until `revoke_and_ack`. The proposed solution allows any invalid messages to come through and be ignored without warning or error.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-04-04 to 2023-04-06
✉️ Message Count: 3
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 11092

2023-06-09 13:13:01

🔖 Title: Proposed changes to the splicing specification
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• ZmnSCPxj ( @npub1g5z…ms3l )
• Dustin Dettmer ( @npub1x54…qsqu )
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Developers discuss challenges with implementing 0-conf splicing in Bitcoin's Lightning Network, including double-spending risk. Swap-in-potentiam addresses provide implicit protection against this risk. Proposals have been made to protect against double-spend risk during splice-in and channel factory construction. A proposal for simplifying and improving the splicing protocol has also been shared.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-04-03 to 2023-04-04
✉️ Message Count: 4
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 18184

2023-06-09 13:12:57

🔖 Title: Resizing Lightning Channels Off-Chain With Hierarchical Channels
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• jlspc ( @npub1rml…5exr )
• Anthony Towns ( @npub17rl…9l2h )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Tunable penalties have been proposed for 2-party lightning channels, allowing for layered commit transactions and preventing loss of funds due to cheating. However, the proposed Factory Optimized protocols for Lighting aim to improve channels within factories, reducing state compared to the "tunable penalties" approach. The discussion also includes defining terms like "node" and "channel" to understand routing in Lightning Network.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-04-03 to 2023-04-28
✉️ Message Count: 9
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 69473

2023-06-09 13:12:56

🔖 Title: On the topic of commit_sigs + revoke_and_ack
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, Splicing
👥 Authors: niftynei ( @npub1zzy…peqx )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-30
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 3228

2023-06-09 13:12:56

🔖 Title: Proposed changes to the splicing specification
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Bastien TEINTURIER ( @npub17fj…tr0s )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-31
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 6124

2023-06-09 13:12:55

🔖 Title: Payment correlation attacks
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• g0b1el ( @npub1rsz…p2yt )
• Lloyd Fournier ( @npub1khl…05yp )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Payment correlation attacks can link senders and receivers by observing traffic, making channel jamming easier and allowing an adversary to lock up more than the committed coins. Centralized networks are more vulnerable, but well-distributed networks can be costly. Hash correlation is the most straightforward attack, but can be fixed with point time lock contracts.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-03-25 to 2023-03-28
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 18062

2023-06-09 13:12:55

🔖 Title: On watchtowers and accumulators
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Sergi Delgado Segura ( @npub1309…9efq )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-24
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 1316

2023-06-09 13:12:54

🔖 Title: List Moderation Enabled
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, MODERATION
👥 Authors: Rusty Russell ( @npub1zw7…khpx )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-22
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 307

2023-06-09 13:12:54

🔖 Title: JSON RPC Interface BLIP
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: michael at mikuhl.me ( @npub19xe…eyu5 )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-24
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 2031

2023-06-09 13:12:53

🔖 Title: On a legal communication received March 14th 2023 on one of my Bitcoin dev endpoint
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-21
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 3663

2023-06-09 13:12:53

🔖 Title: Resizing Lightning Channels Off-Chain With Hierarchical Channels
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• jlspc ( @npub1rml…5exr )
• David A. Harding ( @npub16dt…4wrd )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Hierarchical channels offer a solution to on-chain resizing and channel factories, allowing for flexible off-chain resizing. Tunable penalties for off-chain channel resizes and liquidity multiplexing are proposed, with the latter being a significant advancement. No changes to the Bitcoin protocol are needed.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-03-17 to 2023-03-24
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 21834

2023-06-09 13:12:52

🔖 Title: Payment Route Reservation
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, Proposal
👥 Authors: g0b1el ( @npub1rsz…p2yt )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-02
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 1064

2023-06-09 13:12:52

🔖 Title: Jamming Mitigation Call Summary - 03/06
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Carla Kirk-Cohen ( @npub17xu…nw36 )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-14
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 4288

2023-06-09 13:12:52

🔖 Title: Jamming Mitigation Call Today
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Clara Shikhelman ( @npub1uyh…9vwk )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-03-06
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 487

2023-06-09 13:12:48

🔖 Title: Local Reputation to Mitigate Slow Jamming
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Thomas HUET ( @npub1tcw…u5xp )
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
• Clara Shikhelman ( @npub1uyh…9vwk )
• Vincenzo Palazzo ( @npub1ag2…vd3v )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Thomas Huet proposes prioritizing local reputation over upfront fees to prevent slow jamming attacks in Lightning Network. He suggests a formula for continuous reputation scores and using more than one bit for confidence values. Clara Shikhelman questions the benefits of reporting high confidence and suggests reporting confidence 0. Vincenzo Palazzo suggests understanding the benefits of continuous solutions before moving forward. Antoine Riard raises concerns about endorsement decision criteria and exploitable reputation asymmetries in the local reputation channel.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-03-02 to 2023-03-06
✉️ Message Count: 11
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 43094

2023-06-09 13:12:47

🔖 Title: Onion messages for probing scheme
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Aymeric Vitte ( @npub15fc…5grz )
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Antoine Riard suggests using onion messages (OMs) for payment probing in Lightning Network as an alternative to HTLC probing. Aymeric Vitte agrees and suggests using gossip messages to announce liquidity balances and differentiated services of channel liquidity levels instead of relying on sender-side probing.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-03-01 to 2023-03-06
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 14517

2023-06-09 13:12:46

🔖 Title: Onion messages for probing scheme
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: vwallace ( @npub1hg9…y94s )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-02-27
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 4674

2023-06-09 13:12:45

🔖 Title: Payment Route Reservation
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev, Proposal
👥 Authors: g0b1el ( @npub1rsz…p2yt )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: g0b1el proposed a Payment Route Reservation in Lightning Network to enhance reliability, lower latency and fees, increase privacy, and simplify routing algorithm. They also shared a link to a mailing list archive where their proposal on ASCII graphics rendering issue can be read, with correct rendering.
📅 Messages Date: 2023-02-26
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 26433

2023-06-09 13:12:45

🔖 Title: Jamming Mitigation Call 02/20
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Carla Kirk-Cohen ( @npub17xu…nw36 )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-02-19
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 487

2023-06-09 13:12:44

🔖 Title: 3 way channels and 0 conf channels
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• l0k1 ( @npub1cnq…k0lp )
• ZmnSCPxj ( @npub1g5z…ms3l )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: A proposal suggests opening Lightning Network channels between three nodes instead of two, offering advantages such as better balance and liquidity, more efficient routing, and easier pathfinding. However, this could pose security risks. Indranet plans to use low channel sizes for small payments and maintain channel balance for availability, with three channels required for optimal routing. Trust is required for zero-conf channels, but cheating is unlikely.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-02-19 to 2023-02-23
✉️ Message Count: 4
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 26063

2023-06-09 13:12:43

🔖 Title: (no subject)
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Victor Umobi ( @npub1tns…0nut )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-02-17
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 335

2023-06-09 13:12:43

🔖 Title: Local Reputation to Mitigate Slow Jamming
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Clara Shikhelman ( @npub1uyh…9vwk )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-02-16
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 5141

2023-06-09 13:12:38

🔖 Title: Highly Available Lightning Channels
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Joost Jager ( @npub1asl…fqmx )
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
• ZmnSCPxj ( @npub1g5z…ms3l )
• Matt Corallo ( @npub1e46…xmcu )
• Christian Decker ( @npub1wtx…tuyn )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Lightning Network's reputation system and the challenges of maintaining outbound liquidity in highly available channels. Some developers suggest using high-availability signaling to make local reliability tracking more efficient, while others argue that relying on wallet vendors to provide live network views is a better solution. There are concerns about the potential for centralization and the need for reliable scoring data.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-02-13 to 2023-02-17
✉️ Message Count: 17
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 73274

2023-06-09 13:12:37

🔖 Title: Jamming Mitigation Call Summary - 02/06
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Carla Kirk-Cohen ( @npub17xu…nw36 )
• Clara Shikhelman ( @npub1uyh…9vwk )
• Vincenzo Palazzo ( @npub1ag2…vd3v )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: The group discussed proof of forwarding and upfront fees, but technical issues prevented the call from being recorded. Notes were taken for the next call on February 20th. They also talked about creating a reputation system for the Lightning Network and defining a standard for metrics. The source code is available on GitHub and there are plans to create a public or shared calendar.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-02-08 to 2023-02-13
✉️ Message Count: 3
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 8472

2023-06-09 13:12:36

🔖 Title: Taro: A Taproot Asset Representation Overlay
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Anthony Towns ( @npub17rl…9l2h )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-02-06
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 4476

2023-06-09 13:12:34

🔖 Title: Jamming Mitigation Call Summary - 01/23
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Carla Kirk-Cohen ( @npub17xu…nw36 )
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: The Lightning Network community discussed upgrading mechanisms and upfront fees to mitigate channel jamming during their fortnightly calls. Upgrading the network may require network-wide cooperation, but incentivizing nodes to upgrade and addressing privacy concerns may be challenging. The network also faces challenges with upfront fees, but potential solutions are being explored.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-01-30 to 2023-01-31
✉️ Message Count: 4
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 79403

2023-06-09 13:12:33

🔖 Title: Async payments proof-of-payment: a wishlist for researchers]
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Anthony Towns ( @npub17rl…9l2h )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-01-30
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 8791

2023-06-09 13:12:33

🔖 Title: A Universal Coin Swap system based on bitcoin and a Bitcoin NFT system
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Aymeric Vitte ( @npub15fc…5grz )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Aymeric Vitte proposes a simple NFT system and universal coin swap system based on Bitcoin blockchain, offering a decentralized, secure, and easy-to-use alternative to Ethereum solutions. The systems are stored in OP_RETURN and do not flood the Bitcoin network with unnecessary data. The author argues that Bitcoin can do what Ethereum does in a simpler manner, and is not against ordinals but does not see them as suitable for the "web3" future.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-01-26 to 2023-01-31
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 7478

2023-06-09 13:12:32

🔖 Title: Jamming mitigation call for 2023
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Clara Shikhelman ( @npub1uyh…9vwk )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-01-18
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 533

2023-06-09 13:12:32

🔖 Title: A security review of Validating Lightning Signer architecture and code
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-01-23
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 4589

2023-06-09 13:12:31

🔖 Title: A new Bitcoin implementation integrated with Core Lightning
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Michael Folkson ( @npub103y…kpam )
• Fabian ( @npub1wca…hvcp )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Michael Folkson proposes a Knots-style Bitcoin implementation integrated with Core Lightning as a better option for serious production use cases due to dysfunction in Bitcoin Core's management.
📅 Messages Date: 2023-01-14
✉️ Message Count: 3
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 11226

2023-06-09 13:12:31

🔖 Title: Efficient Factories For Lightning Channels
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: jlspc ( @npub1rml…5exr )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-01-15
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 16112

2023-06-09 13:12:30

🔖 Title: Reputation Credentials renaming and iteration: the Staking Credentials architecture
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-01-12
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 2447

2023-06-09 13:12:28

🔖 Title: Async payments proof-of-payment: a wishlist for researchers
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Olaoluwa Osuntokun ( @npub19he…kvn4 )
• vwallace ( @npub1hg9…y94s )
• Anthony Towns ( @npub17rl…9l2h )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: Lightning developers are looking for a way for offline receivers to create reusable invoices for their LSPs to provide to senders with proof-of-payment. One solution is AMP invoices or serving them over LNURL/BOLT12. Trampoline payments and "invoice tunneling" may also be options. PTLCs and BIP340 signature and nonce sharing are being considered for security.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-01-10 to 2023-01-25
✉️ Message Count: 5
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 27770

2023-06-09 13:12:27

🔖 Title: Two-party eltoo w/ punishment
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Antoine Riard ( @npub1vjz…x8dd )
• Anthony Towns ( @npub17rl…9l2h )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: The article and discussion revolve around the use of Chia's scripting capabilities and the proposed lightning network update to prevent cheating and vulnerabilities in unilateral channel closures. The update breaks symmetry and allows for immediate confirmation of closure, but there are still potential vulnerabilities.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-01-05 to 2023-01-06
✉️ Message Count: 2
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 24006

2023-06-09 13:12:24

🔖 Title: Swap-in-Potentiam: Moving Onchain Funds "Instantly" To Lightning
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors:
• Olaoluwa Osuntokun ( @npub19he…kvn4 )
• David A. Harding ( @npub16dt…4wrd )
• Jesse Posner ( @npub1gqd…nzxe )
• ZmnSCPxj ( @npub1g5z…ms3l )
• Anthony Towns ( @npub17rl…9l2h )
• Lloyd Fournier ( @npub1khl…05yp )
🗒️ Conversation Summary: A new protocol called swap-in-potentiam allows for immediate transfer of onchain funds to Lightning Network, reducing the time required for confirmation. Several proposals were made for faster ways to move funds from on-chain to Lightning Network, including a covenant to establish a channel without an expiry date and a scheme for bridging layer-1 and layer-2 systems transparently for users. The proposed submarine swap/peerswap is not different from a normal on-chain to off-chain swap, but the address generated by the Loop In command is not safe for reuse.
📅 Messages Date Range: 2023-01-03 to 2023-01-05
✉️ Message Count: 8
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 86902

2023-06-09 13:12:24

🔖 Title: Possible Attack IF we add BOTH upfront AND negative routing fees to the Lightning Network
🏷️ Categories: Lightning-dev
👥 Authors: René Pickhardt ( @npub1zlx…2k4w )
📅 Messages Date: 2023-01-01
✉️ Message Count: 1
📚 Total Characters in Messages: 4979