Dustin Dannenhauer

AI Research Scientist with a bit of programming language theory background. Hobbyist python webapp programmer.

DVM maximalist

Building cool stuff at GoCharlie.ai

https://dtdannen.github.io/

Public Key

npub1mgvwnpsqgrem7jfcwm7pdvdfz2h95mm04r23t8pau2uzxwsdnpgs0gpdjc

NIP-05 Address

dustind@dtdannen.github.io

NIP-57 Address

dustind@primal.net

Profile Code

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Publishing to

relay.damus.io

relay.primal.net

bevo.nostr1.com

Author Public Key

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2024-10-31 20:16:42

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So that’s how you do it!

2024-10-15 15:10:17

2024-10-10 17:49:07

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Neat, thanks. I have another follow up question based on when I tried to use off the shelf clients (damus, iris, snort) with a single private relay and kept seeing events leak into public relays… are you worrying about the problem of using existing clients and preventing them from re broadcasting notes to relays which might be hardcoded (or cached maybe) in the client code?
Back when I tried using a single private relay between multiple off the shelf clients, my process was:
1. Download a client
2. Remove all initial relays in settings
3. Add my private relay
4. Use the app
And I couldn’t get events to stay off the public relays.
Granted this was a while ago, and if a client can render an event, then it necessarily has everything it needs to send it elsewhere and a code audit might be the only actual solution.
Anyway curious if you’ve thought on this and are focusing or testing this problem at all?

2024-10-10 05:27:15

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Love it - what about “multiple relays run by individuals in the group” rather than a single relay? That way you get better uptime, etc. or does trying to have multiple relays just make it harder?

2024-10-08 17:18:44

https://i.nostr.build/ACudO52hy5VYKh5N.jpg

2024-10-08 17:13:28

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Do you mind elaborating on what you mean by “registering NIPs 5000-5999”?
Using a kind number is as simple as broadcasting events with that kind, there’s nothing else required. You don’t need to submit a PR to a NIP on the Nostr GitHub repo.
One intended (although maybe not obvious) use case of DVMDash is to browse existing kind numbers being used, so you can know which ones are already taken if you think you need a new one.

2024-10-06 22:06:19

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DVMs are more infrastructure imo, I don’t see them as something users will interact with directly (at least for most DVMs). The most used DVM right now is feed sorting algorithms, and clients make this user friendly and call the DVMs in the background (the user may not even know it’s DVMs that are doing the work).
We haven’t really had multi DVM use cases yet (although folks are working on them).
I think of DVMs as modules that could comprise agents, and the space is still so early. For example, we need libraries where you can call a DVM just like you would call an API (a python library for this is on my to do list).
Many people building agents are using lots of APIs right? DVMs would replace these API calls and offer some neat tradeoffs.

2024-10-03 03:25:16

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Wild. Could this be used for someone to pay sats to get a note some widespread reach, coming from a burner npub?
Also makes me wonder if this could be the basis for an advertising model.

2024-09-26 18:00:34

Have some life transition stuff happening, DVMDash updates may be slow coming in the near term. If you are using it and run into a problem, DM me or post an issue in the GitHub, and I’ll see if I can quickly address it.
We’ve crossed the 80k threshold for DVM
Jobs being created and folks are working on DVM chains. Exciting things coming!
https://dvmdash.live/metrics/

2024-09-26 08:42:41

Working my way through “Build a Large Language Model from Scratch" and the publisher (Manning.com) has a feature that is basically @npub1w0r…cu4x , called ‘livebook’ although the interface for showing highlights isn’t quite as nice as highlighter.com.
First time I’m seeing something like highlighter not on Nostr.
Highlighter UX for textbooks or other dense reading material where people can have side discussions will be amazing.

2024-09-26 01:51:36

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Fantastic. Do it!

2024-09-23 14:52:30

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It’s almost like it’s so obvious it’s silly to even have to talk about it

2024-09-23 14:12:05

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If I use Nostr disconnected from everyone else with a group of people, you could never know.
Are you excluding that situation when talking about “Nostr”?

2024-09-23 13:31:30

Relay devs and runners - do you limit massive filter subscriptions? Is it terrible to subscribe on a filter for kind 3 events for say 100,000 npubs?
Has anyone written a guide on relay filter etiquette? Or should I ask for what I need and if relays stop responding / block me, I submit smaller filters?
tagging a few folks that I know develop and run relays
#asknostr @npub1utx…50e8 @npub1l2v…ajft @npub18kz…x5sz

2024-09-23 13:25:21

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What is the end result that bothers you from the spam?
Is it that you can’t read threads because so much junk?
Is it the notifications blowing up your phone?
Something else?

2024-09-22 20:53:04

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Yep. Have a list of npubs that you (the client developer) believe to be high quality and suggest those to the user to follow.
For any topics you’re going to have listed, do the same.
Maybe there are oracles who maintain lists and you can pay them for their current list at the time a new user shows up.

2024-09-22 18:56:43

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If users just want a high quality lurking experience, they only need to identify one high quality account they are interested in “follow the person” and could bootstrap off of that first person’s web of trust.
And I suspect there will always be well known curated lists of popular nostriches. Pick any group of npubs from that list and now you have a social feed to watch.

2024-09-22 18:28:37

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🫡

2024-09-22 18:22:28

If an npub has no follower from within my ‘n’ degrees of followers, why am I ever seeing it in my Nostr client?
Is this just a compute problem? If so, let’s start running DVMs to solve this.
Does such a simple solution not work?
Let’s say you are brand new to Nostr. For you to get connected, you’d need to:
1. post a few high quality notes (anything that’s not spam)
2. follow people you like
3. wait for one npub who has followers to follow you.
As soon as 3 happens, you’re good to go. If a spam account gets past this part, you just need a few people to report them and then your client shows you that should be skeptical of this person.
The question then becomes, how do you find new people to follow when there is a flood of potential fake profiles waiting to be discovered alongside new real people?
Best case solution, you meet anyone in real life who has a Nostr account and they follow you.
Worse alternative is bootstrapping from legacy social media.
There will probably be markets in the future selling you access to Nostr networks (pay me to follow you and add you into my WoT). You could be anonymous this way.
Maybe AI search tools will be able to pick out some authentic profiles just by the content they post.
Moral of the story is - the incorrect solution here is to KYC or scan eyeballs for “proof of human”.

2024-09-22 18:02:09

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Because current AI is very bad. I’d argue people want to talk to good AI more and more, as it gets better.
Perplexity.AI is far better than any previous search engine I’ve used. (Love Kagi but can’t do follow up chats).
If you want to talk to a real human, gonna have to go to a meetup in meatspace.

2024-09-22 17:59:15

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So it begins. We use AI to filter it out / reduce it. It won’t be easy. But in the long run something like the following can be used even if AI matches human ability online. Any long term solution that tries to rely on proof of humanity will fail while something like the following still has value:
AI tools + WoT + WoT based reporting / reputation + micro payments / PoW
It’s all actors. How do you distinguish against the bad actors and the good ones? Human or AI?
We haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of WoT based solutions and micro payments

2024-09-22 13:55:11

GM
https://i.nostr.build/vw19AmcrgPrH7xeB.jpg

2024-09-21 12:10:13

GM.

2024-09-19 23:58:41

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If it is open source, than someone could run it behind a DVM!
Once something is accessible via the DVM protocol, it can be used just like any other DVM, so other DVMs could call it, etc. reduces a lot of friction

2024-09-19 22:17:09

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Right so I think the difference is that instead of that company hosting it (or any company), someone runs a DVM that does that work for you and you can pay a subscriptions, etc.
Also, it would be easier for AI to use it if it’s a DVM (just pay an invoice, no need to sign up, no cc info required, etc)
If you want privacy though, it might always be better to go through a company like that.

2024-09-19 20:13:50

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Where would the ci/cd action run if not in a DVM? Or is this just a private ci/cd action?

2024-09-19 14:19:21

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Have you considered putting whatever logic you’d like to run to solve this inside a DVM?

2024-09-14 05:36:33

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This came up during my dinner conversation but I didn’t have these numbers, any chance you have links to sources or know where to look this up?

2024-09-12 03:34:41

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Wish there was a link to the file changes, dieing to look at it

2024-09-12 01:52:30

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You could consider getting a DOI for this if you want to get cited for it. It’s a thing, and any academic papers can cite you easily if you get a DOI. For example, you can use zenodo (https://zenodo.org/), they also will host it for a long time. Might have to check size limits. There’s other services too.
It’s a way to get credit for putting this all together.

2024-09-10 16:46:24

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I’m sure they’ll announce it any day now

2024-09-10 15:00:57

My expectations of other social media platforms is increasing because I’m used to Nostr as my main driver.
Saw a high value post on LinkedIn this morning and I went to zap it before realizing there’s no zap button on LinkedIn. Like why not!?!
Walled gardens are decaying as Nostr blooms.

2024-09-10 14:15:59

Turning users prompts into database queries is all the rage in LLM land and I can’t help but wonder about the potential exploits like little Bobby droptables
https://xkcd.com/327/

2024-09-10 12:10:08

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What is HFS and Sunlight?

2024-09-05 04:32:43

Data vending machines provide extra functionality outside clients and relays.
#note10ss…fl7w

2024-09-05 03:50:24

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You might need to run (yourself, or someone else) a DVM to accomplish exactly what you want, if one doesn’t already exist.
To browse existing Kind 5300 DVMs (the ones that generate feeds), check out: https://dvmdash.live/kind/5300/
You may also find these slides helpful from a Nostriga Tutorial on DVMs: https://dustinnostrfiles.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/Final_Data_Vending_Machines_Tutorial.pdf

2024-09-05 03:45:32

Today's daily puzzle was a bit tricky, try it yourself. I was not sure I had it right when I submitted the solution:
https://arcprize.org/play
https://i.nostr.build/ylVOhkJ2BOcpuD7d.png

2024-09-04 16:28:55

Next up is François Chollet
https://www.youtube.com/live/aQ7dq8KjgaI

2024-09-04 16:12:25

If you want some real signal on AI, check out this live stream. Day 2 will happen tomorrow as well:
https://www.youtube.com/live/aQ7dq8KjgaI

2024-09-04 02:27:24

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The book was entertaining

2024-09-02 05:45:06

I just went back and forth with an OpenAgents AI that created a PR for an outstanding issue on DVMDash. The solution is now live on the website (the task was to add the current github commit hash to the DVMDash webpage so users could easily verify which version of the code is running, either in the cloud or locally). Overall, it was a smoother experience than I expected. Props to the team behind OpenAgents; looking forward to using this project more.
You can view the PR conversation here: https://github.com/dtdannen/dvmdash/pull/30
Every comment that ends in "(Comment from OpenAgents)" was the OpenAgents AI, everywhere else was me. You can see that I kicked back two different errors, and then I had a few requested changes to how it visually appeared on the webpage. In the end it took 6 iterations.
The flow was:
1. I connected OpenAgents to my github repos
2. I started a chat, selected the dvmdash repo, and checked the permissions I wanted to give the agent
3. The first thing I asked was: "Can you try working on one of the github issues that is marked as "good first issue"?"
4. It then picked the git commit issue after looking at a few of them and submitted the first attempt.
5. I did a git checkout of the PR, tested it locally, and then posted the failure back to the PR thread via Github, like I would with any contributor.
6. Then, in the chat with the agent I said: "please respond to the new comment on the PR"
7. It then went off, got the latest comment from Github, modified the code, submitted a new commit, and pushed it along with a new comment.
I repeated steps 5-7 another 5 times, before it fully worked in a way I was happy with!
Check out the git commit link on the top right of https://dvmdash.live/metrics !
#nevent1q…fux8

2024-08-31 20:19:36

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No, that’s just one type of DVM.
They are micro-services that have Nostr accounts.

2024-08-31 19:45:33

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Data vending machine!
checkout these links to learn more:
https://vendata.io/
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/90.md
http://noogle.lol/
https://dvmdash.live/metrics/

2024-08-30 22:11:59

Get you a #nostr client with translations to welcome nostriches speaking another language! @npub18m7…q955
#note1uu8…kg9j

2024-08-30 22:04:42

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Cool, I actually did want to try it with the DVMDash repo I’m working on. Made a bunch of issues and thought I might try to see if it could make any reasonable progress on some of them

2024-08-30 11:25:36

@npub1l2v…ajft could clients default to nutzaps if there’s no lightning address?
#note1eq3…lwny

2024-08-30 03:05:46

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I suppose I could just add any repo I care about not sharing under a new organization. I see that it doesn't auto-share those.

2024-08-30 03:01:16

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Is it possible to connect Github without giving access to private repos? https://i.nostr.build/0bQ7x14S6th0xumO.png

2024-08-29 22:08:52

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I have a feeling this is the beginning of something magical

2024-08-29 21:41:08

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Not enough soap?

2024-08-29 20:54:53

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I haven't played with it much (i'm not a big npm user), but thought it looked very interesting - maybe @npub14wx…gcye or another Alby team member knows

2024-08-29 17:48:37

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If we wanted to look at these releases, where could we find them?

2024-08-29 17:39:52

if you use npm, check this out
#nevent1q…djyr

2024-08-29 17:07:27

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we really don't have a lot of DVMs yet... the ecosystem is in it's early infancy.
we do have a growing number of feed generators (algorithms), but that's only 1 DVM job type out of infinity (and currently there are about 30 different DVM job types - see the list here: https://dvmdash.live/kind/).
Right now we just have kind numbers, soon we'll have wikifreedia pages desribing each type of kind (aka job types). Kind 5300 is feed generation algorithms.

2024-08-29 16:53:56

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DVMDash v0.1 is out! I probably can't make the livestream at that time though 🥲 In case ya'll want to mention it, release notes are here: #naddr1qv…5q9v

2024-08-29 12:22:30

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Could you link to those issues / PRs? Would be curious to check out the kind of work it’s doing

2024-08-29 12:12:55

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Maybe I should add a page to https://dvmdash.live that sorts DVMs by when they last did a job. Technically you can only know if a DVM is online if it responds to a job request

2024-08-29 03:22:44

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I don't believe either were recorded unfortunately

2024-08-28 18:52:48

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@npub14wx…gcye ^^^

2024-08-28 18:45:01

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Self-hosted Alby Hub?

2024-08-28 18:19:39

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🥲
https://m.primal.net/KSEe.jpg

2024-08-28 14:47:07

Why can't I zap github commits? What is this, 2023?

2024-08-28 03:28:47

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Probably this? https://about.fb.com/news/2024/07/open-source-ai-is-the-path-forward/

2024-08-27 22:03:25

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Let’s do it

2024-08-27 13:01:47

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/subbarao-kambhampati-3260708_%F0%9D%95%80%F0%9D%95%9F-%F0%9D%95%A7%F0%9D%95%A4-%F0%9D%95%86%F0%9D%95%A6%F0%9D%95%A5-%F0%9D%95%A0%F0%9D%95%97-%F0%9D%94%BB%F0%9D%95%9A%F0%9D%95%A4%F0%9D%95%A5%F0%9D%95%A3%F0%9D%95%9A%F0%9D%95%93%F0%9D%95%A6%F0%9D%95%A5-activity-7233812100408598528-tA_n

2024-08-26 21:46:43

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Don’t worry, everyone’s notes get deleted eventually

2024-08-26 18:36:00

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Personally, felt like a conference to me; one that allowed many people to contribute to it via the Github Agenda (which was super cool). I don't think it's a problem and I agree "unconference" felt like it doesn't fully capture the event.

2024-08-26 18:09:54

Gotta love when you post a note twice because you thought the first one didn’t broadcast

2024-08-26 17:02:30

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Awesome, thanks 🙏

2024-08-26 16:45:30

@npub1m4n…c2jl do you have any suggestions for writing wikifreedia articles? Wondering if there are any editors out there or just easier to use a text editor of some kind. I'm planning to start writing ~30 wikifreedia pages for DVM Job Requests

2024-08-26 16:20:40

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ugh, typo "fantastic to read" --> "fantastic to use"

2024-08-26 15:58:54

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I know. Really, we need wikifreedia pages for each of these. I need to setup a good wikifreedia editor to start pumping these out lol. For now you can see examples by looking at the kind browser here: https://dvmdash.live/kind/ and this site describes some of them https://www.data-vending-machines.org/

2024-08-26 15:28:20

🎉 Announcement 🎉 Version 0.1 of ezdvm is out!
You can now quickly put any python code behind a DVM.
Steps:
1. pip install ezdvm
2. make your dvm class extend the EZDVM class
3. drop any python code into the do_work() function
4. set the kinds you want to respond to, relays, and then run it!
https://github.com/dtdannen/ezdvm
Payment support and other features on the way.

2024-08-26 14:34:11

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The cool part is that any of those agents can also become DVMs, where they can also respond to job requests (Kinds 5000-5999). If it's just text like in the image, you could probably just use Kind 5050.
You may like ezdvm (https://github.com/dtdannen/ezdvm). Super quick to put any python code behind a DVM. Once your DVM is running, you can test it using the playground at https://dvmdash.live/playground/ (need to have a NIP-07 browser extension running). Planning to launch v0.1 on pypi very soon!
With a bit more basic infrastructure DVMs should be much much easier to use

2024-08-26 12:38:43

Test

2024-08-26 10:33:08

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What am I looking at

2024-08-26 10:15:03

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Black market of citations is something Rao talked about in the opening remarks for AAAI 2017/2018 - they removed the ability to alter the authors after a submission because people would sell co-authorship after they found out the paper got accepted.
Nostr Scholar and a Nostr-based peer reviewing system!

2024-08-25 20:07:42

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Well, until competition sorts it out? Is this the uncomfortable growth spurt of Nostr?

2024-08-25 19:50:05

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Art of Living - Sudarshan Kriya (breathing technique) and Sahaj Samadhi (mantra meditation)
Been practicing since 2009 and it’s been life changing.

2024-08-25 19:44:53

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Not sure if because chrome and/or dark mode, but every header type in the drop down except Header 1 couldn’t be seen (as if it was white text on white background)

2024-08-25 09:21:38

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Nostur is about to get nostr nests integrated into it (currently that feature is in test flight)

2024-08-25 09:16:03

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I want to play whatever card game this is

2024-08-25 08:10:37

@npub1syj…f6wl is it possible to get a regular relay url to nostr-relay-tray? It's such a cool app, wondering if I can use it as a local relay for other Nostr apps.

2024-08-25 03:56:48

Ran into a bit of a problem where my sim stopped working on my phone out of the blue while traveling overseas. Freaked out at first but then remembered about silent.link; within 10 minutes I got a new esim paid with sats that got me data so I could move around the city, catch a bolt to the airport, and stay connected when there wasn’t wifi.
Highly recommend!

2024-08-25 03:42:55

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clean, straightforward code

2024-08-25 01:43:17

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Is this live on iOS devices yet?

2024-08-24 19:31:27

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I’d love to!

2024-08-24 01:38:18

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Cryptographically signed urls hosting deepfakes

2024-08-24 01:16:49

Whenever I see a video on X of someone talking, my first thought is "I have no idea if this is a deepfake or not"
At least on Nostr, if a video is posted from someone and then it's shared again, I know it's been cryptographically signed as coming from that person.

2024-08-24 01:04:33

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#nevent1q…3eyj

2024-08-24 00:54:09

Slides from my talks at #Nostriga
Tutorial on Data Vending Machines
https://dustinnostrfiles.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/Final_Data_Vending_Machines_Tutorial.pdf
Super Connected Intelligence on Nostr
https://dustinnostrfiles.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/SuperConnectedIntelligenceSlides.pdf

2024-08-24 00:39:50

What editor are folks using for writing wikifreedia articles? #asknostr
Are you using the editor at https://wikifreedia.xyz/ ?

2024-08-24 00:25:01

👀
https://wikifreedia.xyz/obsidian-nostr-writer/npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6

2024-08-23 16:00:59

Feeling energized after #nostriga - incredible conference, incredible people.

2024-08-23 15:57:22

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Oh yeah, I want to build things like this too. Definitely possible, although might not be anyone doing this yet.

2024-08-23 14:51:11

GM @fiatjaf

2024-08-23 09:02:12

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It might depend on the use case and which DVMs you are using. When you say “send by the client” do you mean broadcasting a kind 5000-5999 event, vs say DM’ing the DVM directly?

2024-08-23 08:47:59

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Could you elaborate? Do you mean that like you make a DVM Job Request at a regular interval?

2024-08-22 12:05:23

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https://pypi.org/project/nostr-sdk/
https://github.com/rust-nostr/nostr/tree/master/bindings/nostr-sdk-ffi/bindings-python/examples

2024-08-22 06:28:19

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Proof of concept, tomorrow, 10:35am