Yes, there has been similar talk in Podcasting 2.0 community about trying to make the payment rails less Bitcoin-centric (no matter what is technically happening in the background to move the money)... maybe similar to point 3.
The problem I have seen is that the community that hates Bitcoin, is so radical in this hate, that it isn't just a matter of other options, but they don't want any association with Bitcoin, or to help anything that might help Bitcoin succeed.
At the core, we really have to fix the image of Bitcoin against the propaganda against it.
***
As an aside, this is interesting to me, because I've worked in Christian apologetics, and there are so many parallels here I'm seeing and implications over hundreds and thousands of years. I'll expand on that a bit, in case some of the parallels are helpful.
Christians have historically responded in a few different ways.
Institution and power
While this seems like winning, because humans are involved, you end up with a forcing opposition into compliance, but the institutions become corrupt, maybe even losing the plot in the process... maybe even becoming a true enemy to the rebels they were trying to win over in the first place.
Accommodation
You 'soften' your views and values to make yourself more appealing to the opposition, hoping they will join you. The problem is that you also lose the plot, so even if they join you (which they probably won't anyway in large numbers), you've severely damaged what you set out to do.
Isolation
Like the monastery movements or alternate societies, you build separate and try to attract from afar. The problem here is that corruption comes along in with the movement, or most of the world just simply isn't attracted.
Change the fundamentals
This would be akin to 'sect/cult' religious movements that split off because they actually believe the main movement was in error, or to attract a certain community. The parallel here is rather obvious... shitcoins.
Apologetics (defence of)
You can work hard to try and convince of the truth and advantages, while countering the false narratives. The problem is that this is a slow, hard road (and often pretty thankless, or even ignored by the main movement). I'm probably biased here, but believe it is the best approach.
Under times of hostility/persecution, apologetics became more dominant, while in better times, the movement ignores or even becomes critical, because the other methods look like better success.
An example, would be the research papers showing Bitcoin to be advancing environmental causes in mining, and justifying perceived damage compared to fiat. This has been pretty well received (even if not as well known as it should be) because we just went through a time of relative hostility.
The more Bitcoin succeeds (if the parallel holds), the more we'll have to work to avoid the dangers of the other approaches.
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