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Original date posted:2020-11-24
š Original message:On 2020-11-23 12:24, AdamISZ via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> āāāāāāā Original Message āāāāāāā
> On Monday, 23 November 2020 00:40, AdamISZ via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Canvassing opinions/critiques from those working on bitcoin and
>> related protocols.
>>
>> See the attached gist for a write-up of an outline of an idea, which
>> is conceived for joinmarket but can apply in other scenarios where
>> there is market for liquidity and in which privacy is a very high
>> priority (hence 'bitcoin fungibility markets' can certainly include
>> coinswap along with coinjoin, but possibly other things):
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/AdamISZ/b52704905cdd914ec9dac9fc52b621d6
>
> Greg Maxwell pointed out to me on IRC that this idea doesn't work:
> there is only a receipt on the commitment to the offer (message) from
> the maker, not on the plaintext version, hence there is nothing
> stopping the maker from falsely claiming censorship after not sending
> the plaintext.
>
> Reflecting on this a bit more, my intuition is that this problem is
> much more difficult than I had hoped; if there is a solution I suspect
> it involves much more sophisticated ideas. Many solutions just end up
> begging the question by presuming the existence of an uncensorable BB
> in order to create a new one; and/or use the blockchain for that
> function, but that is too slow and expensive, usually. I'd be happy to
> be proved wrong, though :)
>
> waxwing
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> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
Blockchains are bad for this, because you don't want for it to cost
money to use your bulletin board. However, the problem was solved more
than a decade ago. Look into FMS, which combines Usenet/mailing lists
with a web of trust for spam resistance.
yanmaani at cock.li [ARCHIVE] /
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2023-06-07 18:27:35
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Original date posted:2020-11-24\nš Original message:On 2020-11-23 12:24, AdamISZ via bitcoin-dev wrote:\n\u003e āāāāāāā Original Message āāāāāāā\n\u003e On Monday, 23 November 2020 00:40, AdamISZ via bitcoin-dev\n\u003e \u003cbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \n\u003e\u003e Canvassing opinions/critiques from those working on bitcoin and \n\u003e\u003e related protocols.\n\u003e\u003e \n\u003e\u003e See the attached gist for a write-up of an outline of an idea, which \n\u003e\u003e is conceived for joinmarket but can apply in other scenarios where \n\u003e\u003e there is market for liquidity and in which privacy is a very high \n\u003e\u003e priority (hence 'bitcoin fungibility markets' can certainly include \n\u003e\u003e coinswap along with coinjoin, but possibly other things):\n\u003e\u003e \n\u003e\u003e https://gist.github.com/AdamISZ/b52704905cdd914ec9dac9fc52b621d6\n\u003e \n\u003e Greg Maxwell pointed out to me on IRC that this idea doesn't work:\n\u003e there is only a receipt on the commitment to the offer (message) from\n\u003e the maker, not on the plaintext version, hence there is nothing\n\u003e stopping the maker from falsely claiming censorship after not sending\n\u003e the plaintext.\n\u003e \n\u003e Reflecting on this a bit more, my intuition is that this problem is\n\u003e much more difficult than I had hoped; if there is a solution I suspect\n\u003e it involves much more sophisticated ideas. Many solutions just end up\n\u003e begging the question by presuming the existence of an uncensorable BB\n\u003e in order to create a new one; and/or use the blockchain for that\n\u003e function, but that is too slow and expensive, usually. I'd be happy to\n\u003e be proved wrong, though :)\n\u003e \n\u003e waxwing\n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\nBlockchains are bad for this, because you don't want for it to cost \nmoney to use your bulletin board. However, the problem was solved more \nthan a decade ago. Look into FMS, which combines Usenet/mailing lists \nwith a web of trust for spam resistance.",
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