I don't think it's unnecessary bloat, but yes, having to store everything forever is a big problem, for bitcoin as well as Monero. We have solutions to this, light nodes and the like, but they're really just stopgaps. The real solution is a scheme that doesnt require spent outputs to be stored forever by anyone, like mimblewimble. This solves all kinds of other problems too, block size whatever and all that. Lightning and stateless L2 offchain stuff are *not* solutions to this problem as they cause other even worse problems, particularly in bitcoin. You can browse my public bookmarks if you want to understand what I'm talking about, I've written extensively about this.
It is not tracing lol. I pay you, I know I paid you, that's not tracing. It's tracing if I can tell where you spend it next, or if someone else can tell I paid you.
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