Last Notes
The dumb part is about the type of queries you send towards a relay; the point is that you should be able to ask any relay the same type of question. Or put the other way, a client (or a feature rather) should not depend on some special sauce server/relay side in order to work, because that means 'lock-in' and undermines/destroyes the whole Nostr model.
Now wether a relay cooperates (i.e. what policies it employs for accepting these simple/dumb requests/queries) is a different matter. Actually it is precisely BECAUSE the relays are supposed to be "dumb", we have this situation where relays can deploy whatever arbitrary 'censorship' without causing (fundamental) problems, because you as a user can move over to another relay.
Its the "dumb relay" idea that allows for the censorship resistance; and as a result provides freedom of association.
Hope this clarifies
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Wait till he figures out that he does not own his digital profiles either
I guess there is that side of this, sure, kinda comes with the territory; it is far worse in 'crypto'-land though (i.e. everything that is not Bitcoin).
The point is that money is a tool we use to coordinate at a scale that is larger than a small tribe; and Bitcoin as a system provides the means to coordinate at global scale in way we could not do so before. The legacy system achieved global scale but its a layered cake of middle-men that allows for a whole bunch of fuckery, especially by those at the top of that structure.
I understand if you are skeptical towards a lot of the high-minded talk (summerized in 'Bitcoin fixes this', with 'this' being basically anything you can think of), and intepreting it as mere excuse making to cover up underlying greed; but i assure you thats not (always) the case.
So, go buy BTC and pump my bags pls
Il look into it. If there is a group of nostriches present there il consider going, otherwise il do the remote thing.
In general, il go on any stage to talk about Nostr, but im lazy so ideally you just give me time and place, and il be your circus monkey
This could have been an annotation made with Lantern instead of a screenshot....just saying. I mean, screenshots are fine, if you want to end up in Hell that is...you filthy sinner
You can dig up kind 1040 events using NAK with:
nak req -e [ID of event] -k 1040 [relay]
You can also verify the timestamp but you need github.com/fiatjaf/ots for that.
Now you will never ever have to wonder who published the timestamp :)
#nevent1q…sqwp
https://njump.me/nevent1qqs8rq4v4wq33zfxptc7gdnuw8a9udy56cc0840ralhmygq4csqtlxgpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgq3qt6jxfqz9hv0lygn9thwndekuahwyxkgvycyscjrtauuw73gd5k7sleeepw
Btw
I did. Whenever i see "historic" (to whatever degree) posts i do, when i think of it atleast.
Reading the spec and you are correct indeed, the event does not contain a target difficulty.
@nprofile…pyug
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The 'purple PoW' means there is proof of work detected on the event, because the event ID has leading 0's (similar to bitcoin block hashes). If you did not do this on purpose, it just so happened to occur on accident.
The eventID of that note was:
000000b4c48f13aba0db463751ce17.
The '24' is the associated difficulty
Thats a lucky streak of 0's sir, congratulations :)
Is ytcracker on Nostr?
#asknostr
"Now it's all tied up in hashes, wrapped up in encrypted batches"
https://youtu.be/fZfg1Gtcg08
@nprofile…lmc6 does the bot check and exclude the OP from participating? Gues one can still use a sybil anyway; in any event, you can always outbid everyone because the competition has no incentive to go beyond the 80% target, while sending money to yourself basically has no limit other than liquidity. Result is you get the 80% back.
Its a fun system, dont get me wrong, but thinking about it, it is actually broken :/
https://image.nostr.build/2fe6b95f80f3d31dee382c7d31707c03607b7adcfd48e7738cc762018a4dd232.jpg
https://youtu.be/TdwBRn2NKWM
Sir, the whole point of Nostr is that i dont have to read another protocol idea anymore
Luckely it is an open protocol and he can find refuge in the many interoperable alternatives besides bluesky
Ongeveer 109 regels, waarvan het merendeel slechts 1 woord betreft.
I have to say the instructions are not clear; it does not mention you need to add a space between the reference and the amount, it actually tells you not to. Whomever is running buzzbot should fix that
Jumble, flotilla and chachi all support the relay based moderated groups that have forum-like threads, groupchats and agendas.
Or, by the sound of it, you are just bi-polar
Simon Stevin.
(Perhaps if i was only allowed to watch i'd go for the piramids or something)
Because they are not Nostrfied, so the battle for network-effect is always present in the background. At some point even Uber will have to facilitate farmvile to keep up.
It was a joke, fiatjaf de-selects those two in his demo video
Its Data* vending machine, not decentralized vending machine.
Nostr Open Ladder System;
An inconsistent open ranking system for (verifiable) games.
Chess will be used to illustrate the system.
- All events will require timestamps in order to be considered valid, creating resilience to trivial post-hoc attacks.
- Each player declares their player-profile, which is serves as the genesis event of the coming linked list of matches.
- Each match consists out of a ‘match declaration’ event, which is a musig between the participants, which references their respective previous match results, amongst stuff about the game, and possible tournament, possible referee, etc.
- Each player is responsible for analyzing their opponents match history on possible inconsistencies in order to determine a ‘distrust-score’ before deciding to engage in the musig/match.
- Each match then normally has a ‘match result’ event, stating the outcome of the match and each players new ELO-score.
- For any reason one or both of the players can publish a dispute event; this serves as the reference for the next match, not impacting the elo-scores.
-This results in each player having their own chain of matches that can be verified on internal consistency. Subsequently more analyses of all the subsequent opponents histories could also be verified, etc. The closer the proximity between a players existing social graph, and opponents match history, the less of such verification has to be done.
- Any inconsistencies that arise as a result of using wrong ELO-scores, or forks due to dispute events will be tolerated in terms of calculating the ELO-score, but will be judged on in terms of ‘distrust scoring’ and may result in exclusion/not engaging in matches.
-inconsistencies can be pointed out on their own, locally within the chain of matches, so records of these ‘proofs of inconsistency’ could be made and distributed. i.e. digging up dirt on a player.
-Trust scores based on your own social graphs, and distrust scores based on inconsistencies in players history, give players the means to find and play against other players that they want.
-Bootstrapping trust networks could be done via tournaments and leveraging existing chess communities and ‘influencers’
Yeah, and when the server goes away, so does the ranking. Il copy paste my draft for what its worth. Hope it makes sense (note in advance, the thing is that there is no water tight sollution to this problem, so this mechanism is explicitly not watertight)
I have an idea for an open ladder/ELO system laying around........
But besides such fancy things, the fact you can directly comment on a particular game etc. should make voor interactive environments. Same goes for chess or whatever
Well, i do agree when creating a Kind, you ideally craft it such that rendering just the content field in a dumb way would provide a minimal viable expression; would require an explicit implementation, but a very dumb/simple one.
That is; there is good reason to use particular kinds, if only for filtering/search/exploration reasons, besides other fancy context/application specific usecases.
But alt-tags should be able to either atleast load something such that its somewhat clear i am looking at instead of producing an error of some kind; and in cases such as this it could provide the minimal viable userexperience
I'd say you solve this via an alt-tag.
"Voicenote : *mp3link* "
You have to switch your thinking, things can work the other way around on Nostr. Ive have yet to nail down the right words/metaphore, but il take a swing.
On a platform, they determine the online reality; everything that passes their gates is now part of that world, and in second instance you can chose what to actively ignore.
Here, its the other way around; you determine your online reality; the people you follow, the relays you use etc. and in second instance you can decide to broaden your horizon.
The difference is in the fact that a Nostr client is this 'active' thing facing the chaos, instead of a 'passive' interface for a central (supposed) order.
Not saying all current clients totally nail this, and that its easy and without problems, risks or whatever. But on Nostr the default is that everything is fake, everything is spam, everyone is a bot and its all noise; but you actually equiped to navigate the mess.
Oh, and the point is that getting all those margins actually works/adds cummulative value in the context of Nostr
'Unthinkable', yes, indeed, they are unaware; unaware of the risks they run by attaching themselves to a platform, unaware of the nature/architecure of the problem, unaware of the sollution.
They "feel" they have no alternative, just as much they "feel" there are issues. Same goes for the audience side, that "feel" there are issues with platforms(the algos, dark patterns etc) and "feel" there is no way out (and why many probably welcome government intervention, if not out of sheer desperation).
Obviously converting the center in a single day is not a thing, but especially these days there is a whole lot there in the margin that is ready for 'capture'; and going back to Williams original post, is a matter of getting the point across
Obvious bootstrap problem is obvious. Also, you are wrong; plenty of creators and alike decide to go the way of focussing on their own website and building an email-list because they got burned on platforms or were smart enough from the get-go. They do this because eventhough they have to start over again and/or things might grow slower (innitially), they know that the following-capital they have build cant be rugged out underneath them on a whim.
The whole point of Nostr is to provide both censorship resistance AND network effect; and is therefor a superiour way (albeit eventually) to either platforms or ones own website
Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
Until you have a completely innocent webshop and mostly use instagram for your advertisement and some automated moderation bot nukes your account for lord knows what reason; good luck getting in touch with a human to get it restored.
Until you are just a normal guy, but happen to be Brazillian and some court decides X is no longer a thing for you.
I can go on and on. Now your percecption may very well what you described, does not mean it is correct.
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The first two things i would have you do are:
On Primal, try out the 'user feed' functionality:
Go to the profile page of someone you think is interesting, go to the option menu top-right and select 'add user feed'. https://image.nostr.build/58e6271f0853ffe6ec518c5f8b4765705738b85b6d3c36e074802a0edeb9a91d.jpg
Then, go to the homepage, select the feed-menu at the top (probably says 'latest' currently), and you can now select that 'user feed'. You now get a view based on that profiles perspective on the network.
https://image.nostr.build/b80510e41aa7a5ccf8695264c7cae042966f75f456c8d40660865c02a9fd08c0.jpg
The second thing is, try to use another app with your current profile. For instance Damus if you are on IOS, Amethyst if you are on Android, or Jumble if you are on a web-browser.
Good luck
Do these people even know about Nostr?
'Nostr is just a bunch of Bitcoiners'
Yes, indeed it is (i dunno, is it? Just roll with it), but nobody is just only a Bitcoiner, you are other things beside that:
Go be those other things on Nostr as well, that way our road-side jungle spirit can be happy
Bitcoin meetup, obviously
Fresh nsec though, only damus touched it🧐
Will do some event digging tomorrow
Weird because it all unfolded infront of my eyes🧐
@nprofile…qmrf why does someone getting onboarded to Damus automatically follow more than 500 people?
> Reads some stupid cold take
> *who the hell is this retard*
> looks closer
> not a Nostr profile but stuff from a mastodon brigde
>> every single time
Are you asking because it took over/copied all the p-tags?
The US is rubbing off on you isnt it?
Here i am trying to imagine how Trump would pronounce Sjors Provoost
Nostr is the suggestion that we can build a better web by putting cryptography in the hands of users
Are you telling me you are not supposed to say to go cry about it?
And il throw these in the mix as well, because they are short :)
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For what its worth:
#nevent1q…5hc8
Thats about it actually, looks good. Thank your for your efforts and good luck on the presentation
NIP stands for 'Nostr Implementation Possibilities' ; its a small little semantic thing where the protocol as such is not 'improved', but rather implemented in various ways
Going to mention things as soon as i come across them in the slide deck, so might be a messy string of comments:
Slide 4, the table, last row on censorship resistance: content being hard to erase is half the story; semi-frictioneless restaurarion is the other half (does not need to be on the slide, but do mention it)
Etleneum is bound to end up the same
With spring already under way, that rather late; ideally you'd do it somewhere in the past half year
Big shout out (or handwave perhaps, i dunno) to @nprofile…ztt6
This is so cool, she does these small sign language challenges where you can win sats, and people are actually interacting.
I have 0 interest in sign language myself, only came across this due to the #ASL (AfreecaTV Starcraft League in my case).
With how flexible her hands are, i am sure she would make a great Terran player
Are you on the southern hemisphere?
Here i was, thinking it was an editting mistake
Ah, yeah well if you want keyword search i think about the only/best game in town right now is Primal. Hopefully Kagi or some other search engine starts putting their teeth into nostr events.
This what you are looking for?
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The score is silly and not to be taken seriously. Just looks at the number of likes shares and zaps in the past 90 days, and see if you hit some threshhold.
Lets dig this one up
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It allows you to put a bunch collums side by side😏
This ringsignature stuff is really cool, but what would be a usecase?
It got me thinking, and perhaps this allows for public Chatham House Rule discussions
#nevent1q…0qd9
PSA: these (FROST) bunker links creates edge cases where the a valid signature does not mean controll of the private key; i.e. an Npub may be temporarily compromized, whilst the Nsec itself is not.
This is actually the point of these systems, but the result is rather quirky
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I did not think you were Dutch.
Merci, thought so, but just checking.
Now to verify if you are trustworthy to begin with:
Friet of patat?
BREAKING: hodlbod and Pablo are not to be trusted
@nprofile…6tvd might as well bother you about this as well. (Also compliments on having one of the best webpages ever)
Auto-translated English > actual japanese. Everyone knows this
Noodles are garbage. Now stop disagreeing or we will have to start nuking again to make you see the errors of your ways.
@nprofile…wqnn , is there a risk of figuring out the key if for example you have 100 FROST sets (3 out of 5), and you have 2 of each of those 100 sets?
Is theoretically yes, at what point would such a risk become somewhat practical?
No
Potato > pasta = bread > rice
Just look at the JSON to see what on earth it could be. Probably self explenatory
So if zap someone that posts a NASA picture, they go to jail? Cool
Yeah yeah, well all know its a multisig between Fiatjaf fiatJaf and fiatjaf. But when can i get a frostbunkerlink for my existing Nsec?
Censorship resistance is not just that things keep working despite someone else fucking you over; it also means things keep working despite someone else fucking up.
Perhaps usefull to put more emphasis on the latter. People might think 'well who would want to fuck me over, i dont need it', but its very clear to people that relying on others not fucking up is a fulnerability they might want to do without.
On its own it is just the more sensible practical way of doing things on a system-level, and as such has nothing do with shady super spy ninja shit, or whatever image 'censorship resistance' evokes in peoples minds, at all; you just want your stuff to go from A to B, thats it.
The world did not end up using the Internet Protocol because everyone is James Bond
Are you telling me i cant use etlenineneueuueuiueuinium? I want my money back
Thats true, you have a point there.
Oh wait, you mean how follow lists work by default....yeah well with this + dvms + just browsing, users should have all the tools not to have a stale experience from the get go, no?
Perhaps you misunderstand, because i am not talking about 'default follow lists', i am talking about me being able to addopt your perspective in 1 click (maybe 2, or 3 but you get the point).
The way primal has it implemented is far to hidden, but case in point:
https://image.nostr.build/58e6271f0853ffe6ec518c5f8b4765705738b85b6d3c36e074802a0edeb9a91d.jpg
https://image.nostr.build/b80510e41aa7a5ccf8695264c7cae042966f75f456c8d40660865c02a9fd08c0.jpg
Well, about any client already supports this in the sense you can log-in with an npub; but i mean you do effectively the same thing whilst being logged in with your own nsec, and can just follow, comment, post, like etc.
Sure, but i still think the 'take the feed/perspective' from an npub, something appearently primal already lets you do, is the most straight forward. In most cases you got to Nostr via someone, so just addopt their perspective as a bootstrap.
Thank you @nprofile…pyug and @nprofile…qmrf . Nice talk.
Its kind of absurd how under the radar Nostr is, while if you sum it all up in this rather relaxed conversation; the many clients; the interoperability; oh sure yeah seems we basically there in terms of private (group)chats; oh yeah we got this whole medical records thing in the works; oh btw we have implementations to do all these fancy cryptographic things; oh right yeah no we use bitcoin all the time on a daily basis etc etc etc
You guys should have used bullhorns and sirens, fireworks and go go dancers or something because i just cant take it this stuff is not headline news everywhere haha.
Youtubelink with timestamp to the talk:
https://www.youtube.com/live/TqxDr_SjAgg?feature=shared&t=2508
Actually; they tend to be the raiders. Take over controll, become decadent, and at some point get raided by a new generation of hill/mountain people. The valley people are the beta cucks that adjusted to this dynamic and just accepted their fait of getting new rules from time to time
There is no such thing as a presidential election in suriname, and her current position on the list for the party she is with is 21.
It is all very unclear how she is could be "running for president", and as far as i know, no-one ever asked her about this in any of the interviews/interactions she has had within the Bitcoin space. Meanwhile she actively pushes this 'running for president' narative, and without any clarification all of this is highly doubious.
Storms are the counter to defilers; it is known.
#ASL
Hey #musicians, why have you guys not made a sheet music kind already?
People that think a kind is only real if a NIP is merged to some arbitrary repo dont get it. If 'permissionless' is too difficult to understand, perhaps we need to nuke the repo to get that point across. The web is far to vast to be contained in some list anyway.
Interesting, when clicking the link, it opens it in the Primal app on my phone, not my browser🤔
Had to rip a livestream and iirc there was some codec bullshit. Sad :(
Il see what some AI magic can do for enhanced audio
You are bored, i know you are; so here is my Nostriga presentation
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Jeroen looks so happy in that last picture; if only he knew then how that night would end for him
Its probably a good idea to get rid of the low earth orbit ones (like starlink).
GPS is used by many many many many many things, civilization would probably grind to a hold without it at this point. Also GPS is not surveillance, a gps chip/antenna just listens to pings and figures out where it is based on that
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tl6u2NASUzU
Unfortunatly i think you are correct. If there is one thing these people cant stand it is stuff they cant controll. The moment you present them something that is actually open, they complain it does not comply with their endless list of requirements. Same thing with Bitcoin
If apps allow me to 'log in' with whatever Npub to check out that perspective; why can't i just do effectively the same thing while being logged in with my own nsec?
With a tiny bit of UI effort, it makes onboarding so much better because people can start out using their friends perspective; odds are they have similar friend and interests and they have direct access to that stuff.
Also, is there are 'you might also know/be interested in' DVM, that provides a list of suggested Npubs based on your current follow list, or perhaps better, selected lists?
Lastly, the current follow list is conflated; following and trusting an npub are not the same thing.
Now all this list flexibility does make things a bit more complicated (what happens when you press 'follow' for example, it would imply some dropdown menu asking you for what list this follow would apply), so how about a toggle between default 'simpleton' mode for how things work now, and a 'Nostr' mode that opens the door to do all these quintessential Nostr things?
Ideas are cheap, so here you go
@nprofile…dlnm see? Its such an obvious thing.
OMG, the mempool is full, fees too damn high
Trying to find someone?
Npub.world
Trying to find something? nadar.sandwich.farm
It is a tragic thing after all
https://image.nostr.build/f91cd4cfc2ba46c00e2694daa75b23d3ec4a913442965f9eba63a6b87153ec5a.jpg
I dont think there is a sollution, other than ICANN being it, and hoping for the best.
If you know the command that generated this image I want to follow you
https://m.primal.net/Puzd.png
I dont get it...if your application needs a DAG, you just link list your events, why would that need to be on the base protocol?
I wondered about this yesterday. What if for example you let it crawl to look for 'Boat' related stuff; and whenever it finds boat content it scans the surrounding network/graph if it can find more: at some point it is bound to find and identify a cluster of boat enthausiast people posting tonss of boat related things...atleast, you'd think
Also, things like views, like counts, how long the tracked eyeball stated at the titty etc, is a different ballgame with Nostr
The point is (i think) the platform server is this coherent database of 'all the things' (which is a lie, because its not all the things on the internet etc.etc.).
This means that there is a known state (i.e. 'global'), and subsequently a perspective on that state (the feed). Choosing your algo is therefor a differing perspective on the same thing.
In Nostr, gathering all the events is just as much a part of the process as the filtering is
He just likes to pirate material and put it on dwindeling platforms to taunt them.
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Given that there is this large group of opensource software developers that dislike Bitcoin with a passion, i actively avoided the subject.
I like 'event' because it implies an action in time; and because signing is a performance, this is correct.
As such an event implies it carriers its own context of actor(s) and time; which is also correct.
Event is the correct term, and as is always true, Dutch does it better, naming it: Gebeurtenis
I drastically cut in the content of the presentation eventually. In hindsight i could have added a few bits more, but having 20 minutes of Q&A was nice aswell.
Go ahead :)
Someone also put it on youtube:
https://youtu.be/Tbt3jL1Ms0w?si=S8Rg3DO7GL1A8G-O
'Event' is the abstraction encompassing both notes and other stuff, therefor it would be Etr; which pronounced sounds terribly similar to something else.
Heeuyyy, we have a winrar
Unfortunatly the version FOSDEM provided sucks. Audio is bad and out of sync.
I fixed it myself, i think some jungle spirit is planning to put the correct version on youtube, and i asked FOSDEM to replace the upload
https://cdn.satellite.earth/5ae3b013641b836fc4e19f1e5354bf1c9f6a89cc2b9e2a185d763b256f967bda.mp4
#nevent1q…fss4
My presentation about Nostr on #FOSDEM 2025.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/f30b018c0548884df4c79e5a4473cf29c8c68f3865f973105304289db95a04c6.mp4
https://youtu.be/y3dqhixzGVo
NIP-03 specifies how to use Bitcoin Opentimestamps on Nostr events; the result is that you have a proof an event atleast existed at that time. If you apply this consistently, you can proof your older posts are indeed old.
The moment your key gets compromised, nothing stops an attacker creating events with bullshit timecodes, pretending to be old events from the past, eventhough they are just freshly created. But when you applied opentimestamps, the attack cant produce those (because it cant turn back (Bitcoin-)time), so i can never confincingly lie about your past, only lie about the present/future.
If you publish the fact that a key is compromized, and timestamp that; the attacker can no longer confincingly attack your future either.
I will read this event in two weeks.
Yes, i do.
I know amethyst has atleast some sort of implementation ( you need to do it manually, but it works). Don't know about other clients
Starcraft Brood WAr obviously
People are worried about their keys getting compromised, and they want fancy systems.
Yet i dont see any of you timestamping your content, which regardless of how you handle moving to a future key, is needed to 'protect' all your existing content based on the old one.
Normalize timestamping before we do anything else
As to what happens when keys get compromised:
The reason i basically dont awnser is because its is a complicated clusterfuck. My proposal would be to self publish your privatekey, and thereby put a lot of pressure on relays to start blocking your stuff. But you can imagine a million things.
But all if it involves crying to one degree or another.
You are overthinking.
Crying is, and forever will be, thruthfull only answer in existence.
And it is the exact reason all other protocols are a bunch of pussies, because they are afraid some-one at some-point, will have to cry.
Thank the fact its on wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostr
Eventually, there were some issues with the recording, so we have to wait for them to fix those. (Has to do with the start/end time, the actual recording is fine)
And are they atleast nostr-curious now?
The second-best game ever made
https://image.nostr.build/e67ad2aa1dbca732fc6412667646ff929f258fb039b937390e83b806df50e98c.jpg
I started out by saying its terrible, hard and it sucks; so that is the context to all of this.
My point with Bitcoin is mostly that its the first occurance of 'mass' addoption of keys, and as a result its also the first time an 'industry' is trying to figure out and develop sollutions for 'the masses'.
As well as that putting keys at the core of the system (i.e. being an expression of this paradigm i alluded to), has not been a show stopper for Bitcoin thusfar.
For completeness will mention, the use of keypairs for btc is wildly different than using it for Nostr; its a lot easier with Bitcoin. And still there and a lot if not most people dont hold their own coins.
As for the generational thing:
You misunderstand, i am not talking about the current 'young people in general'. The first cohort of this generational dynamic are the kids of Bitcoiners. The more normalized BTC becomes, the larger this cohort will be to the point its a 'general thing' kids will grow up with (perhaps to an extend this already the case and youngsters are all up in crypto-bullshit, i am a out of touch boomer in regards to such things)
Anyway, all of this stuff was put as 'mitigating' factors, not sollutions; the point is there are no 'sollutions'.
Now, do take note that people switch phone numbers, email adresses and what not in todays world, any many things go wrong all the time, identity theft already exists etc. etc.
The fosdem recording will hopefully come soon, there were some issues
Bedoel je @nprofile…9nh0 Henk? Ons Jaf heeft helegaar niks met Damus te maken🧐
Use a client for such things, like yakihonne for example.
Good luck
Its a purple dawn in Brussel #FOSDEM
https://image.nostr.build/4228dd1d42a691034fe7f36fb53ee18671fd7c375ebfb360165ac5c2d2d0149d.jpg
Navigation/url bar at bottom is schizo behavior
That, + alt tag; where these 'exotic'-kind-events are shared as a reference inside kind1 events.
I know you love that last part😏
What is this 'sun' you speak off, and where can it be found? Asking for a friend @nprofile…z68j
Thats cool and all, but can i get a FROST on my existing nsec?🧐
It does not, it just picked the only real world thing we had a pre-existing consensus on, namely time, which mitigates the oracle problem.
We get away with it, but as such it still exists.
RIP to all the people who think this is a joke
Sir, the true heuristic for if you understand the world is if you play broodwar, obviously.
What do you think of Nostr?
Fun fact, hemp is an amazing fibre to produce rope with.
For now atleast....
Now the question is if we are winning or losing the day shitcoins enter Nostr🤔
The problem is not the nostr event/note, that already exists on multiple relays; and even if it were removed completely, it could be reuploaded at some later time. This is because nostr events/notes are self contained things, and people can verify them because they are signed and hashed.
To illustrate: lets say some archieologist digs up a harddrive with this thread on it, but the original post is not there, yet there are all these responces to this original post. And then 100 years later, someone digs up a clay tablet that has this particular OP written on it; this means they can solve this age old mystery because the event ID (which is a hash of the post itself) matches; They can verify that this was what everyone was responding to.
Now, the issue arives with the video. Because this event contains a link, and obviously that link will be broken, primal servers dont exist anymore in this far far future. In other words, we dont know what that video file is supposed to be, we only know where we were supposed to find it, and that place no longer exist; hence there is nothing to verify, even if you'd find the correct video in some other place.
We have a standard that adresses this (in theory for the most part, in practise its a bit of a different story due to lack of development/implementation), called blossom, which hashes files such that that is now how we reference them. I was just pointing out that this is not being used here, and therefore when the link dies, the nostr event might still exist but it became useless; if it referenced the hash of the video, the same "dig up a random clay tablet in some random place on some random time" principle would apply.
I.e. its the fundamental difference between referencing a thing directly, or referencing a location. The old web relies on location ; your email adress is @ (get it? "At") some domain, your instagram post is an instagram post because it 'comes from' instragram dot com etc. Nostr flips this on its head, puts the thing itself central using hashes as a naming scheme, and subsequently relies on 'hints'/'suggestions' as to where that thing may or may not be found; and if you can't find it, you can always go and look to see if you perhaps find it elsewhere, because you know what you are looking for and can verify that you found it.
Hope all of this makes some sense :)
And i would appreciate if you'd never a https:// link to a note inside of Nostr again🧐
#nevent1q…dqzu
I think il touch on it a bit during my presentation.
I will also try to remember it for the next open office to discuss.
It bears repeating, so I will
#nevent1q…wsnc
I have seen a lot of pictures in my time, and based of a cluster of pixels in the top right i can conclude that this picture is fake.
The 'cool kids' hold open office sessions at @nprofile…jye9 though, where you can confront them directly out in the open!
And to top off the irony, they do it on hivetalk😱
I see some discussion, and think it is very important to remind everyone that there is only 1 Official legitimate super real authentic authorative sanctioned Nostr developer innitiative (TM); and you are all obligated to submit to the rule and dictates of @nprofile…jye9
By our permission only; Nostr
This should have been a kind:20 but its not https://image.nostr.build/90dd8c59159484cf0d6b978dab7396af8ac7676fd49ad9e9d408685ef141ffe3.jpg
He hates stalllman with a passion, he is beyond our reach
Instead of sharing a https:// link, try the following
See that part behind the last /, that begins with 'note1'? That is the note ID.
Take that entire string "note1pgmgeq0v4qmgu6l3sqmha9fhng5q4prlp2myz2ufgaksnsvsqnyqf05ypw"
And put nostr: infront of it. This will result in the following
#nevent1q…3yuf
Way better than a link to a webpage ;).
You can get the noteID directly in primal by selecting 'Copy note id'.
You should actually use nevent, but dont know how to get that in Primal, so i wont bother you with that for now.
PS, referencing a profile works the same way, but instead of using the noteID, you use the Npub.
Like such
@nprofile…vldz
PPS:
I disagree with your post
#nevent1q…pmy7
https://cdn.satellite.earth/648e7cdb043e0f4123a9b9cf973c98beae2749e7e0c891a1b89853876420ee4a.mp4
Oh, this video can very much be taken down, by primal in fact. It is not a blossom video, just a regular old link "https: //m.primal. net/NvIK. mov", and that link can die. And then the video is gone🤷♂️.
The note containing that link will we a lot easier to keep alive though, for starters because it is on two relays at least; but it wont be of much use at that point now would it.
Now if it were a blossom upload, then it could still be taken down, but can be put back up elsewhere, and hopefully your client can figure out where to find it 🧐
In any event, censorship resistance is not censorship immunity, they have yet to develop such a vaccine
Being wastefull is a sin after all
Leaving Nostr right this second
One of Orwell's relevant productions
https://cdn.satellite.earth/448fd634b99cd4abda18389cdf6bddce7f962a570a03b468ffa76bd870630ea6.mp3
Fake news Gigi
https://cdn.satellite.earth/be1a60b98cd11c9f1ec44b6b32696cf0032d406b1d424586e2132e92e7671e5c.png
Carrol Quigley had a great lecture series: "Public Authority and the State in the Western Tradition:
A Thousand Years of Growth, A.D. 976 - 1976”
In it, one of the themes is how technology determines the means of controlling other humans. Unfortunatly the recordings are utter shit. It has transscripts, but those are not 100% complete.
For what its worth:
Http://www.carrollquigley.net/Lectures/Oscar_Iden_Lectures_Introduction.htm
Not the concern of the cattle; the ultimate revolution.
#nevent1q…r9a8
Wrightwood. Cal.
21 October, 1949
Dear Mr. Orwell,
It was very kind of you to tell your publishers to send me a copy of your book. It arrived as I was in the midst of a piece of work that required much reading and consulting of references; and since poor sight makes it necessary for me to ration my reading, I had to wait a long time before being able to embark on Nineteen Eighty-Four.
Agreeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is. May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution? The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual’s psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf. The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World. I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesmer, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.
Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government. Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations. Another lucky accident was Freud’s inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism. This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years. But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.
Within the next generation I believe that the world’s rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large-scale biological and atomic war — in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.
Thank you once again for the book.
Yours sincerely,
Aldous Huxley
Nothing is being co-opted thusfar, but to your point:
The geopolitcal arena of inter-state affairs is actually the most logical usecase for censorship resistant money ergo Bitcoin.
Case in point the sanctions on Russia and them being banned from swift and therefor the international banking system.
By its very nature Bitcoin, starting from 0 coins in circulation at a price of 0, required a grassroots bottomup ascendancy; but don't be confused, as it stands now, when addoption and use keeps growing, the 'plebs' will be priced out of use (in a sovereign way atleast), whilst the state-level usecase will remain, regardless if they happen to be the last in line to addopt.
But thats last bit has a large technical component, which might (hopefully) change (a bit).
Nostr sacrifices lenient human-meaningfull names; and makes us responsible, distinct and free.
Could a slider or something for possitional resolution be a thing? Perhaps with rough markers like 'precise, city, province, country, continent' markers? How hard would it on the other end to interpret/handle all those various sized strings.
If that is too difficult to manage, you'd have to compare to some list of 'locations' with coordinates for cities, provinces etc, though it would result in weird clusters of stuff all being in 1 particular location which could look weird.
Ok im done thinking about this, nvm
And 'we' will, for it is not illegitimate, their 'demands' are fair and reasonable; but the issue arrises that they deem their bells and whissles as a minimal viable requirement. As a result they will put it in whatever base protocol they come up with on the one hand, and only begrudgingly build it on top of another protocol if it turns out that is the direction the world is going.
What would have happenend instead is an over-spec'd base protocol as a result of internal politicing.
Its not just that 'lefty' people want moderated environments for themselves and are happy to let everyone else be; they will haunt you to the ends of the earth to gain some sort of controll, or the idea of controll, because only then can they rest easy.
Never get into a situation where these people can veto what you do, because it is a prayer without end before they are satisfied.
The only option is to confront them with a fait accompli that they can optimize for their own preferences, but simply can't dictate outside of that.
Medium is the message people
#nevent1q…ukh9
Kind1 will be the thing that holds it all together, combined with alt-tags.
The friction to switch between apps is already so low, which is actually one of the 'unique selling points' of Nostr, so we should leverage it
Good, this is why we worked on the recipe kind (comming soon).
Also, if this new 240 chars tweet kind has edits, will that make you drop edit and markdown support for kind 1?
Its that wonky line in reality vs straight line expectation meme thing. You think you failed, yet it was just a required step in succeeding. Lame, i know.
Not less true though so here we are cheering you on. Also, connect a wallet to your profile my dude, you are missing out on sats i am sure.
What is the argument, im confused.
Are you refering to note vs nevent?
Or nostr:nevent vs https:njump ?
Because if it is the latter, i did not even bother to respond the first time, but non of the nostr clients understand https: references as a reference to a note, just as a reference to a webpage, that contains that note.
Whereas all the clients do understand a https://......mp3/webm/mp4/jpg and render it.
So id say no, the same argument cant be made. It would have been true if all the clients understood https://...nevent but nostr:nevent would have been some new thing that was introduced later
How did you back up your key?
As far as i am aware primal does not give you this option, but other clients do:
You can store your key with a password in a 'ncryptsec'. That way it is easier to store (because even if someone gets it, they still need to know the password).
It lacked a space in between i think. In general doing it via @[name] will work if your app suggests the ID. Like sleepy mentioned, the manual way is rather simpel. Its just:
nostr:[whatever it is you are referencing, be it nprofile or nevent]
Without the brackets, obviously.
Now i mention 'nprofile' instead of 'npub' (to reference a person) and 'nevent' instead of 'note' (to reference a post), because each is better respectively. This is because nprofile includes the npub via encoding, but also relay hints that clients can use to figure out where to find that information; the same goes for nevent vs note. Npub and note are just the bare reference, and clients wont neceserally know where to look to fetch that stuff.
Now, just using nostr:npub or nostr:note will probably work, because its both a small network at this point, and because most people reading your things will be inside your own little network or close to it, so clients will probably already be aware. Nevertheless, it is better hygiene if you start using nprofile and nevent consistently.
This was your daily information overload, have a nice day.
Nee, maar wellicht kunnen we naar een zonnebank ofzo💆♂️
Gewoon geen zon, nooit niet ooit maar enige fucking zon. Wtf man
Kind 35000, not published yet.
No, that is a crime, only exceeded in severity by screenshots
Perhaps the answer to Gigi's question is: how 'self-healing' are the nostr events at this moment?
Lets start there
What i miss in his story is that the investment thesis/pitch always was, from day one, to gather users and undermine competition through subsidization until 'TINA' was achieved; from which moment on monetization could be ramped up.
This was explixitly the case, its not a secret. I dont see why he bothers to talk around this. His statement that they needed to make money from the get go is demonstrably false. 'Enshittification' was/is caused by VC, because it was those types of investments that allowed for the strategy to begin with. If his 'hot take' is that they deployed legal means to increase their moat....sure, i guess.
What i don't think the business logic and CEO's accounted for was how it would put them into a geopolitical play-thing situation, which is probably more than what they bargained for.
The 'innitial' link is there for convenience, and there is no reason to not have it;
Other than that perhaps it creates lazyness in terms of implementing what ought to be implemented
A kid friendly app is doable, but i recon it will take a while before we get there; by its very nature it has a large amounts of requirements to serve its purpose well.
It is something that is in the back of my mind a lot though, not just content filtering, but also restrictions with what people they can connect/interact, based on your own social network as a parent for example.
I really think we can build seemingly 'open' online enivornments that are not dull, for kids of a wide range of ages to explore and interact in a safe manner full of interesting, entertaining and usefull content.
The reason i say 'open', is because i think the crucial part in all of this is that they dont have to all use the same app, and need to be in the same 'environment'/silo with the same rules. The kids with the strict parents and the ones with the more liberal parents can still interact with eachother regardless what app to the extend the 'policies' overlap. This mitigates the FOMO, alienation etc. dynamics that are ruthless among kids, and will undermine any attempt to 'shelter' them otherwise.
In this context they can gradually as they get older, work their way towards the 'no guardrails' hellscape that is the open internet.
As many mentioned is deleting a matter of requesting relays to delete your post, so no guarentees there (but frankly it will probably work).
As for the edits. There are different types of 'events'(what we call a note/post) called 'kinds'. There are simple tekst notes, long-form posts, picture posts, cooking recipes, agenda items, profile information, your follow list, chess-matches, etc. etc.
What you are currently using is kind 1, its the most basic of the basic tekst note. The idea is that those are not editable, this is because edits are technically complicated, and we want to keep kind 1 superduper simple. Now because nobody is actually in controll, there is an app that allows you to edit them, but all the other apps will ignore it; you are better off ignoring that feature.
Other types of notes, such as the long-form one, you can edit and that is explicitly part of the specification.
Every 'kind' had its use, and kind 1 is the univerally understood note for simpel messages. Dont fuzz too much you cant edit those. Want to write a longer more involved post, that has a title, headers etc. and the ability to edit? Try an app like yakihonne, it will allow you to make such 'events'.
Best of luck on your Nostr journey
Let me quote the inventor:
"it's not an acronym, it's a word, with an acronym shoved on top of it for increased meaning."
:)
Its not an account, because you are not registering anywhere.
And its Nostr, not NOSTR; why? Because NOSTR is ugly, thats the reason it is a word rather than an acronym 🤷♂️
Welcome and good luck :)
Its not just an app, there is a whole ecosystem of apps doing similar or completely different things for all kinds of usecases. Early days though.
You will see as you go.
Welcome and good luck :)
Werkelijk kluk? Ik had dit soort grugbrain engagement farming post meuk....eigenlijk wel van je verwacht.
Koers kluk = best kluk
1 BTC = 1 BTC, ATH every day?
There are more people here than you'd perhaps expect. At this stage you might just have to put in a bit of effort into finding them. Have a look around, ask people for help, i am sure you will get on your merry way in no time.
Welcome and good luck :)
Dont know what app you installed, but there are a whole bunch of them; some are indeed similar to X, or 'micro blogging' as it is refered to in general. Others focus more on long-form content like articles (one such app is called yakihonne), or pictured similar to instagram (olas for example). There are cooking recipe apps, chat apps, audio/video chat room apps...
The same protocol and its socialgraph can be leveraged to build an appstore (zapstore for example), wiki's.
And you can use the same profile you use now in all of them, carrying your socialgraph (the people that follow you, and the people you follow) with you.
Welcome to the Nostr rabbithole
Well this depends on the app that you use, and how it handles things. And i am not 100% sure as to what you mean, but in general; yes, it is called 'web of trust'.
You have to understand that because there is no authoritative server or anything, and anyone and anything can just spin up endless amounts of profiles trivially, it is utter chaos.
You app will, one way or another, try to differentiate signal from noise, and the most organic way to do that is to use things like follow-lists and interactions people have.
There used to be hidden illuminati messages in there, such as the Hermes's Emerald tablet translation by Newton, along with fun animations.
But these days its just boringly spamming the same thing over and over again :(
Fiatjaf wants to punish Amethyst for applying edits to kind01 notes, because that is not supposed to be a thing, by spamming the shit out of it.
Its just another good guy fiatjaf thing fighting the evils of this world.
A zap is a direct payment. The numbers you see are actually 'sats' or 'satoshis' the smallest unit of a bitcoin (0.00000001 ₿). With the current exchange rate of about 100k$/BTC the math is actually fairly easy, roughly 1000 sats per dollar.
This means Ian right now roughly made 670$ worth in bitcoin on his post right now.
You will have to set up a wallet and connecy it to your Nostr profile in order to receive zaps. There should be enough documentation out there, and otherwise ask around and hopefully someone will help you on your way.
Welcome and goodluck :)
Yes we can! https://nostrnests.com is one such option. You can log in with your nostr profile.
Good luck
Go to his profile, it should give you the option to follow him.
What app are you using?
Thats ok, we will get you there.
You can consider starting over and using https://start.njump.me to set up a new profile. Just take the time to read the accompanying tekst and it will clarify a lot. Should not take too much time. After this, you can use the identity you have created in all the different Nostr apps :)
Good luck
Nostr is not a place, it is a language that a variety of apps speak and understand.
And yes you are speaking it right now :)
Your identity here is a cryptographic keypair. Maybe you get the point if you download a different Nostr app, and enter the nsec that you generated in the app you use now, into that new app to log in; see what happens :)
Remember to keep the nsec a secret.
Good luck
Welcome Ian, and new people that followed you to Nostr.
Hopefully this series of short quirky videos will make some things click, especially some of the nuances around censorship.
This is the mission:
#nevent1q…3lza
The core notion of censorship resistance, i.e. retaining your following:
#nevent1q…unve
Breaking free from the silos, and having everything tied to your unique name:
#nevent1q…h7k5
Nostr is pro-censorship, and that is a good thing:
#nevent1q…jt49
And all of this allows for a whole new web, if, we manage to build it correctly:
#nevent1q…39wh
https://cdn.satellite.earth/756de1c3a4fe5db9df6804231888f7268e87cbf3f21eaf88f435c4168cc68bad.mp4
You are obviously wrong. Look at keyboards, totally failed idea that never took off an nobody uses because it has too many buttons.
All one ever needs is + or -
Computers for example know this all to well.
He is welcome at the open office, that way he can immediately experience the interoperability with stuff like hivetalk
#nevent1q…3y50
Misspelling Nostr is a crime
Target audience is FOS developers that are bothered to come to a conference for FOS developers to find out stuff about FOS projects.
It is inevitable; before you know it you speak with a portugese accent and find yourself in a jungle somewhere playing starcraft. This is what Nostr does to people
#nevent1q…9hzm
#nevent1q…lg3w
#nevent1q…9jht
#nevent1q…va6z
#nevent1q…nfew
The open office? Yes it is.
Or on the r?
https://image.nostr.build/e0c76fa7e4bb9b1c1468fb6203261ef08ad065bdcccd4e7a89e9868726bf3742.jpg
You are not wrong, but also missed the obvious which you might have arrived at if you'd stick to the metaphor;
You are saying the townssquare is not the breakout usecase, sure, but whatever 'establishment' get super popular is still connected to that square.
Thats what the square is; the center to all the shops, restaurants, cafes, theaters etc.
@nprofile…jye9 has a cooler name and logo though, so suck it.
Roger.
Agreed.
One question though, dont these central servers use fancy indexing heuristic magic things to optimize their processes, rather than bruteforcing itself through long lists of things though?
Still leaves the fact that with Nostr querying multiple relays distributes computes regardless
I would add that this 'unlimited time' thing is cheating, and therefore makes it practically wrong. And i don't mean in terms that using infinity is always cheating, but in terms of trust decay.
I am also not making a data availability argument, but one of distance in social graph:
Data is meaningless, in order for it to be information you need context. The immediate context to events is the signature, which brings us into this whole WoT thing. Problem is that signatures run under an underlying assumption that the privatekey is indeed private and therefor the wielder of a name is consistent.
The problem is not getting data anymore, in the 'dead internet TM' context the problem almost completely shifts to getting 'real' data. Relying fundementally on both the key assumption on the one hand, and WoT on the other, distance in socialgraph but also distance in time becomes an issue in a similar way:
It is more realistic to assume that keys will eventually get compromised in their lifetime than not. Therefor if we imagine a let say 100 year timeline (which compared to 'infinity' is not all that much right?), we have generational distance to old notes and their associated keypairs. My point is that because of integrity insecurity, you get a similar type of trust removal as if those keys were distant from your social graph.
In other words: yes, on this 'infinite timeline' you can have all the data, but for the most part means you have all the noise; and its that same time component that undermines your ability to differentiate signal from noise. Time is actually undermining your efforts is my point.
This is also why i keep on hammering on the use of NIP-03 opentimestamps, which somewhat mitigates all of this
Her point is that because it is indexed via unique hashes, if you crawl long and persistent enough in theory you could find all the things.
Atleast, i think that is her point.
#nevent1q…jrja
it occurred to me that in the context of the ‘one size fits nobody’ moderation of centralized platforms, the Nostr crowd takes issue with too much censorship;
whilst the Bluesky crowd takes issue with not enough censorship.
https://freeourfeeds.com/
That will be 50 push-ups for screenshot-only-posting Sebas🧐
I am sure it has gigameg blocks
Spam is an inherent issue in open systems (or rather systems that try to be as open as possible, in service of network effects). The DOS issue is different on different levels, be that router, server or user; fake request, fake data and fake information respectively.
Clients and relays both can help filter spammy info, relays will have to find ways to deal with spammy data, and it is very interesting to see this type of work trying to tackle the most fundamental layer of it all.
It is also the most far out there to be honest, and i am personally uncomfortable to even dream that big...can you imagine?
"Lets fix Twitter" turning into "lets fix the entire Web", ultimately ending up with "oops, guess we have redone the entire internet".
Maybe it has been a long held vision in my minds eye, but I keep my visions to myself.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/4e6d8391bedd634bfb706d51b0bfd6ae16ff6840672ca0de96a5f7228e81d8f8.mp3
First bluesky, now rednote, next will be
Greenfield. Not a problem, they will land on purple eventually.
You are making my point though.
You should recalibrate your equipement then🧐
You are simply looking at raw numbers, which is a mistake on your end.
Desktop applications allows for far more complicated features and usecases; both in terms of UI and in terms of available compute, important for laying the groundwork and exploring the possibilities within this new paradigm. The share of power-users is far larger among the early adopters, which also impacts the numbers game you hint to on one end, but on the other hand gets into the fact not every type of user is of equal added value (in every moment in time); power users are what bootstraps this thing for the most part.
Case in point: The Damus Notedeck thing is gearing up to be a mayor breakthrough in within the Nostr space; and Gossip in its own way did it before that.
The context here is broadcast media vs the Internet; and what he describes is very much what TikTok ended up doing. Bunch of stuff to reflect on here.
Aaron Swartz, The Network Transformation
https://cdn.satellite.earth/52c222bae584f0b4ca65ed3ed8fe19b021b324af1ca2ea1581772e31524f9b35.mp4
You should try out Olas and post your art with kind20 (picture) to get a foothold and some exposure in that realm of things.
Goodluck :)
Another thing that Nostr will ultimately solve or improve:
The terrible phenomena of euphemisms (un-alive instead of dead), deliberate mispronunciations (corn instead of porn) or explicit spelling (S.E.X. istead of sex), to avoid moderation/algorithm implications.
It is horrible, because most of the times it is not to undermine anything, it is just trying to avoid stupid consequences while the words are used ’innocently’. It is not just sex stuff, but also COVID or whatever. Stupid games where people are fighting the machine that judges them, that can’t tell context (well enough) to figure out if anything ‘problematic’ is even going on on the one hand; and stupid blanketed moderation policies that are obvious ‘one size fits no-one’ tragedies on the other.
We need Nostr’s freedom of association for so many reasons, the current web is awful.
The ‘race’ would be attacking the center, which is futile imo.
You don’t attack entrenched network effects head on, it is pointless; Nostr loses on most of all metrics which got those platforms in that position in the first place, at least for now.
What sets Nostr apart is the openness and interoperability, ability to moderate/curate/censor, all while retaining network effect and censorship resistance. This implies an ecosystem; Nostr’s added value grows not just with every user, but with every new application. The resulting clusterfuck of Venn diagrams will eventually encompass the center from the outside in.
This means two things (at least):
1: we don’t have to attack the center, we can encircle it by conquering the margins of niche communities and use-cases, and grow and strengthen the network as a whole that way. Which is also something the competition can’t do (as effectively).
2: The way this works IS to do it the right way, because otherwise it won’t work. It wont have the features mentioned above making the endeavor ultimately pointless.
This new paradigm is difficult because we are figuring it out along the way, in a decentralized/disorganized manner. It is messy and the result will be imperfect but hopefully good enough.
So yeah, you are right Bill, there is no quick win. And if there is something Bitcoiners have shown it is persistence with the conviction pay-off will come eventually however long it takes; one of the many reasons it is this group of people who have a shot at achieving all of this.
Sir, MS Paint master race
It is an honor to announce that i will be giving the talk about Nostr on the mainstage at FOSDEM.
Thank you @nprofile…c6wa, and the other volunteers for the effort of managing all of this. Preperations have already started, lets purple pill these FOS developers!
PS: if you think you are a presentation slides pro, hit me up. I normally don't really use slides when presenting; and when i do, well....you can look at my videos to get an impression. I will still go for information light and low number of slides, but would not mind them to be, presentable, lets say ;)
#nevent1q…urf8
Hard to say on the smell question. Spawning pools contain 'primordial ooze', but i dont think that has to stink per se.
Defiler mound has 'a disgusting pool of cancerous soup with a tangled mass of horribly twisted biological rejects', that produces various venoms. Deadly, but smelly? Dunno, no-one alive does by default either.
Ultralisk carvens contain 'numerous high-radiation deposits and dangerous substances', so i dont think much rotting takes place there. Which takes us to the Queen's nest, 'a festering mound of living organisms', which i recon has the worst smell.
Marry the Valkyrie, she is totally ride or die.
Fuck the Medic, giant flirt.
Kill the Dropship, that bitch has an attidude.
Atleast, assuming after the war. During it would be:
Marry the Dropship, highest odds of survival.
Fuck the Medic, still a flirt but the dumb cunt will get herself killed anyway.
Kill the Valkyrie, might as well do it yourself and safe the dissapointment on the expectation you were going to get any use out of her.
Which zerg building would smell the worst?
Valkyrie, Medic, Dropship. Marry fuck kill?
There is no 'here', you started speaking a language and claimed a name.
You use Primal? Albeit the conclave of purists has some remarks on that client, you should not mind that for now. Part of its heresy results in very good search features; utilize those to find what you are looking for.
For one that those things were pre 1993....
You attribute stuff to the EU, that is not from the EU.
Il ignore that it was the EC that was formed in 1993, not the EU, because it is irrelevant
The single market and borders thing was all the EEC, not the EU.
The roaming thing is actually a hard problem of accounting, for which the actual sollution would be paying directly for internet acces/bandwidth in some way or another. Which in turn is a technical problem of payments.
Providers do incurr costs and risks, they are only not allowed to directly price those anymore. Albeit that i dont have a lot of sympathy for mobile providers, and they fuck and squeeze consumers in every way they can think off (paying for SMS for example), so in that sense the legistlation was not too bad.
Then again, when are they going to ban these stupid subsciption churn praktices; its an entire fucking industry that produces absolutely nothing. All it does is it forces consumers to play this stupid game of 'its the end of my subscription, i will leave if you dont give me another deal' on the one end; and this endless groundswell of small parties with cheap deals that just farm clients in order to sell themselves again to the big providers after a short while.
Anyway, off topic i guess, but you guys got me started 🤣
Let me abuse kind 1 here:
Today I went to the meetup associated with the Dutch mini-documentary called ‘Error 404: het internet in crisis’(the internet in crisis), that was released a few days ago.
The episode was about how regulation could keep fight back on the negative practices of social media platforms, following a Greenparty member of the European parliament, the Executive Director of the Mozilla Foundation and some lawyer trying to fight a legal battle with Meta.
The underlying question was whether something could still be done or if the crisis was complete.
I had a lot of disagreements with what was shown in the documentary, but it is relevant especially that the EU ‘Digital Services Act’ is going into force now. I decided to go to the meetup where a couple of the key players in the documentary would speak and the audience could ask questions.
My main take-away is that there is this sense of desperation, a lack of control on the situation. The idea that these few large corporations just do whatever they want and are geared towards hacking our very human nature. This path of legislation is experienced as their only hope in turning the tide, using the great power structure in the shape of the EU to fight the monolith of a handful of all powerful platforms. This general sentiment is being expressed explicitly from out the EU itself, stating the ambition to be a world superpower by mean of creating legislation; be it AI, cryptocurrencies or social media. Europe can’t seem to create competitive businesses in these fields, so they try to achieve their edge this way, at least so is the thought.
My sense is that these for the most part are very confused people. To illustrate, during the session they expressed their complaints with profiling and targeted advertisements, to subsequently argue a minute later that better targeted adds should help reduce a lot of spammy irrelevant advertisement practices by only getting things that are relevant to you. They did not seem self-aware of this blatant contradiction, and for the most part operate on some ‘if it sounds good it ought to be that way, if it sounds bad it ought not to be that way’ mode of thinking; unaware of the technical reality of things. I guess a concrete expression of this (that was not discussed, but that is besides the point), is the EU now insisting chat applications (whatsapp, signal etc.) become interoperable; it sounds nice, but how on earth is that going to work? Not their problem, for they have an ought in mind and their dictates will make it a reality...somehow.
In the context of the meetup I was only able to ask one question. I decided to ask that given they take issue with the monopoly position of these large platforms, if they did not fear that all these barriers and costs resulting from this legislation would prevent alternatives from coming up, and that it would not just solidify the position of these platforms able to cover theses costs.
The answer boiled down to something like ‘we legislate bad things, and bad things are not the type of innovation we want, so it wont prevent the innovation we do want.’. The host subsequently asked in response to that answer if that did not simply mean that it was them deciding on what was good and what was bad innovation. This followup question caused confusion, they did not seem to comprehend that this could be the case. They did not really have an answer other than that if insights would change over time, new legislation could be made.
From taking a glance at this EU ‘Digital Services Act’ it predominately focuses on ‘Very large online platforms’ (technical term for anything with more than 45 million monthly users), and for the most part is geared towards forcing companies to have adequate processes in place. So the emphasis is more on due diligence than making them directly liable for stuff happening on their platforms.
Still, the devil is in the details with these things, and they shoe-horned a bunch of ‘grey area’ subjects into this like ‘gender-based violence, public health, and mental and physical wellbeing’.
I do sympathize with these people but in the best case they are useless and in the worst case they are counter productive. Unfortunately they do have their hands on levers of power; and I am frankly more concerned about them, than ‘Big Tech’.
Semtech acquired the company of the three guys that created the phy, they run the entire thing.
They were hard enough to get a hold off
eventhough we had close ties and direct lines of contact hehe.
1: Semtech owns it; there are other chip producers with licenses from Semtech
2: the phy has been reverse engineered and opensourced
3: LoRaWAN is open btw
4: everytime it comes up i have communicated using LoRa is not a good idea; it was designed for a different purpose all together (i.e. large sensor networks for which it is great).
I think the reason people keep going for LoRa is because there are a lot of cheap and easy resources available🤷♂️
(Was an IoT consultant, mostly LoRa, for 4,5 years, doing designing and producing sensors all the way to designing and deploying large scale networks)
That will be 50 push-ups for a screenshot-only-post violation
https://web.archive.org/web/20250107203959/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/07/business/mark-zuckerberg-meta-fact-check.html
Profile-centric or Relay-centric? Why not both!
Nostr truly is a galaxy brain idea😏
https://cdn.satellite.earth/9d43bc0e2edb37b3941fd7a1230424ccdf4580a4df760a6dd4e2fd43dad3c3c9.mp4
Is the decent private group chat thing easily solved? I have hopes, but seeing is believing.
The second point will be interesting. This high agreeableness/low tollerance for disagreeableness crowd will self segregate by blocking, muting and blinding themselves from the outside world like they always do (and to be clear i think this is totally fine, legitemate and principally have no issue with this); but this time in doing so they wont marginalize others directly via bansishment from platforms.
However it would constitute more of a 'soft' attack on socialgraphs. So who knows how that will actually play out.
Data wants to be free.
Tricky little basterds, i tell you.
My dude patience, the video is almost done, jeeeeeez
I just gave you the reason for why we are early; even a lot of developers don't fully grasp things yet.
I also told you i dont care about those non-Bitcoin normies; ofcourse they much rather stick to the environment that has a bazillion $ of funding and decades of development history. Where is the value add for those people, there is not any. At best they feel the current platforms getting shittier, but that is a push, not a pull, and for now same-old-same-old-but-with-bullshitmarketing stuff like bluesky will get those people before we do, and then fail regardless.
We are not building a social media alternative, we are building a whole new web, a whole new compute paradigm, its all new, its all different and it all has to be figured out.
Tiktok blew up in no-time because it is the endstage of a paradigm; the bestest fanciest horsebuggy.
Nostr wont win by competing on those terms.
You seem preoccupied with (normie) user adoption. That is not unreasonable but personally think this is not the way it is going to play out.
It makes far more sense to me that Nostr will take the margins first and encircle the center before capturing that center. The super power is in the interoperability throughout the variety of usecases; go for the niches.
I, and my sense is a small but minimal viable size group is already at the point of there being no reason to ever go 'back', and our options/usecases only grows over time.
Retention among normies/masses is terrible, but i expect it to be such.
Realize that Nostr constitutes a whole new paradigm that appearently most devs dont even seem to comprehend (fully) yet. We are, in fact, still early
My idea was to make them gnomes. Actually, if there is some artist with AI skills out there he/she can contact me, we may or may not have a job.
Should it be client based or kind based though🧐
@nprofile…pyug what is the 'KE' at the top right of the post? It was there before i timestamped the post(forgot to make a screenshot); and because it was there and could not figure out what it was i decided to timestamp (because it is in the same location as where the OTS indicator is, to)to see what happens, and it just concatenated.
https://image.nostr.build/461361d533f8b074db989fa7bbdaf51ba3cc6201085bac6518fad45868d86f47.jpg
https://image.nostr.build/85802af07b4d664295ae5ba9605962472dd2e95a96214da389cb7c475d513061.jpg
Phoenix supposedly usses it. Atleast, that is what Josie said when i taunted him with the notion Nostr would implement it before Bitcoin
I discussed this briefly with some south american jungle spirit, and listed key-value pairs should actually work in terms of implied order.
If/When i find the time i will have a look at the NIP with the NSF guys, see what they think of all of this stuff.
How you feel about FROST based bunkers though🧐
I agree, although the sollution is rather easy by allowing users to set thresholds on what they get notified (and some way to signal/make clear what that threshold is). From there is kinda becomes silly to complain about getting paid for trivial to ignore spam.
Ps to clarify, as to there is no confusion here: libertarians got a whole lot correct and just need to grow up; communists need one way helicopter rides.
'It was designed to liberate us from the tyranny of the state and the banking cartels'
Look, don't get me wrong, my intention is not to counter signal this sentiment/statement, but i do advise to get off the 'ought' train, because intent does not really matter all that much. For the most part it just results in fitting the thing into your own biasses and resulting projections onto the world.
For instance people complaining states addopting BTC because supposedly it is anti-state. Its not, it is a system that scales coordination by minimizing trust requirements avoiding the political frictions that occur in alternate methods. I.e. Bitcoin would be pointless if some world council could come to a happy agreement on a world currency and its (innitial) distribution.
In fact, looking at Bitcoin, states addopting it in the context of the geopolitical jungle is probably the most logical usecase for the thing. It scales politically, but does not scale on a """tx/s""" basis. Ergo, the masses were never going to aquire basechain-level-sovereignty, but states are. The fact that due to the neutrality of the system some individuals, and probably a bunch of organizations and business will, is as it stands now just a mere side-effect. Most people are just confused about this because Bitcoin had to come from 0 (starting with '0 btc' at a 0$ price) and had to go through its grassroots rise towards its destination. I.e. its going through the plebs, but it was never for them. (But any effort in scaling the thing towards that point is appreciated, as long as it does not undermine the system, see blocksize war for instance)
Anyway, long rant, point is: i am not saying Bitcoin is not a force for good, but carefull because by far most naratives around Bitcoin, even from "Bitcoiners" are utter magical wishfull thinking bullshit. Probably because libertarians are so dominant and they are at the end of the day retarded*.
*i.e. just projections of the biases of (young) males that are willing/capable of carrying the responcibilites/risks of this world and assume everyone can/should, and from that assumption complain about footing the bill for those that dont/cant. Or in other words, they dont want to pay for civilization because they are happy on pirate island, untill they become dads and realize sending their 8 year old daughter to the bazar with a gun and some good old streetsmarts from her own bootstraps as not to get scammed is not going to cut it.
Part of me things Saylor just wants to avoid any potential FUD during what he feels is this pivotal moment.
It is weird to me saylor supposedly does not want to softfork in covenants. He does not want reactive security on all that btc he owns? Same goes for Coinbase or all the other custody players in the space, you'd think it would potentially lower insurance costs and stuff no?
Do you have a link to the NIP/kind description? I am curious. Did you guys just assume the order in the json would imply the order of the parts? If so, then yeah that is not going to work out
Via https://alexandria.gitcitadel.com/ on my phone, using firefox. Screenshot attached where i scroll upwards popping up the refresh icon thingy to indicate .jpg that i am indeed at the top of the page whilst looking at the "conclusion" :)
https://image.nostr.build/891d5d361f8c7504c191d5f3c35583acf8b09262f8534fd7440b4f5b388256f5
And the chapter overview is also nicely in reverse order, so atleast it is consistent ;)
https://image.nostr.build/484f7c6afb63099d913a28e837724dcf4a80fa7cffd9ec72670de4a0f0dd6b54.jpg
Everything is in reverse order. The end is at the top and the beginning is at the bottom.
Took me a while to figure this out, at first i thought i just loaded some random chapter
It heavily editted out all the pauses and assumably uhms. I personally hate it because its unavavoidably artificial, but atleast you don't sound retarded ;)
https://cdn.satellite.earth/7e9bb7fb3d48f771d19ac24fbd58783ef71503a6ae010afaa4e26fcd283d5c9d.mp4
Yes, its called the Middle Age
Sir, the reason Bitcoin took off was because it started with a nice windows .exe
Whereas lightning started with a linux CLI.
Pls relflect on this
Ok, so.
1: forget the selected relays *insert stop trying to make manual relay selection happen .gif*
2: client takes the follow list and uses it as a guide to pick relays for a feed innitially.
3: innitially uses the existing follow list as your 'soft follow' set up.
4: continue the scheme as you described.
5: 'clustered' softfollows could be a reason for the client to decide to add a relay for feed purposes (instead of just fetching particular npub notes)
A: assumes an existing profile with existing socialgraph, if this is not the case, pls see *bootstrapproblemexistsforeverything.pfd*
B: manual relay selection should still be an option, ofcourse, if not just to make you happy
A lot of it is repression by proxy anyway. Look at things like the 'Financial Action Taskforce', which formally is not even anything other than a group with a list and 'recommendations' that for some reason countries adhere to.
If according to the ideology being oppressed is the virtue, they cant/wont declare explicit power, so for the most part they don't, or denie it is happening when they do.
Atleast it would be cool to resist some out in the open coherent tyrant; now we are stuck in the most fake n gay type fight of our lives.
A blessed 2025 little valkyrie.
One thing people often mention when explaining/talking about Nostr, is that with current platforms you can't be sure of the authenticity of a post.
MaYbe SoMe EmPloYeE wIlL pOsT tHiNgS iN yOuR nAmE.
Albeit technically true, the point itself is silly.
1: does this actually happpen? Ever?
2: all you retards end up sharing screenshots anyway. So how about y'all take a big step back and litterally fuck your own faces.
Thank you.
Is it a closed environment or is the data public? If its public then don't bother discussing and let these people free in their choise to be crybabies about it.
Ah, we are talking past eachother i see.
Yes, primals approach is retarded and wont work. I was not catching on you were refering to that (that discussion might be all the rage right now, but was not part of the context here, so thats why).
I was refering to/explaining something different entirely
I will have a look.
The way i see things now is that each individual client (nor user using multiples of clients for that manner) wont have to perform such exercises over and over again each time. Running such an operation should result in a product (simply put a list of events), which can then be used by others.
Also, these operations can vary in terms of debth and width, adjusting to usecase irt available compute and bandwidth.
At @nprofile…jye9 we call this type of operation 'pulse'; a ripple through the mess of events out there guided by a construct of biasses on npubs and lists.
In any event, i gues my main argument would be that computational efficiency is irrelevent because due to spam, data curration (signal/noise diffirentiation) will be the #1 challenge and i'd argue to only way to tackle that is in in a distributed manner (i.e. relying on a network and networks of networks of people applying sensemaking for themselves). Any walled garden will either be too limited or run over by weeds with nothing in between.
As long as its not IPAs, whoever thought those were a good idea has serious taste issues and somehow convinced hordes of morrons.
Tripels are the best btw.
That is just some holding company, not the producer of the beer.
Heineken is designed to be the most unoffensive bland taste like nothing 'beer' possible. After a couple of beers it does not matter that much what you are drinking, but having it as your first one is a huge dissapointment (yes, i notice when i am served heineken, without knowing it is heineken).
Grolsch actually has a taste.
I also like jupiler, as far as pilsener is concerned.
Heerlijk helder heineken.
It sucks btw, if you drink pils, be a man and drink Grolsch.
Vakmanschap is meesterschap
Recon this a bit overdramatic. Given the circumstances we are very lucky stuff like opensats exists, in the way it does. There are so many different ways all of this could have played out that are orders of magnitude worse.
Some context could not hurt, might even make one gratefull, regardless of the need to stay vigilant
Fuck UX, in it for the tech.
What is the value of transparently avoiding all the hard problems?
Its so good because it is not really a Nostr app. The reason people think it is because it also uses signed JSON.
I agree. The 'primal problem' was not front and center in my mind, until yesterday i tried out their search for a bunch of things and got suspicious as to how on earth it could possibly work. I asked some jungle dweller just to check, and he confirmed my suspicions.
What is most confusing is that when you listen to them talk they say all the right things. If the idea is to do the right thing 'eventually', then when will that eventually be? Its now right? Right?
The risks arguably get smaller over time, when interoperability among a larger ecosystem is the norm. Its especially in this phase of the protocol where something that is not (as) interoperable can become really popular and undermine the protocol.
In terms of ensuring, dunno, perhaps we can finance a crew specialized in breaking kneecaps of bad actors or something like that
A shorter way of saying it would be:
Will: 'put the power back in the hands of the user'
Translation: https://cdn.satellite.earth/c7b1a804eacc2daccf0b4eb7b68d9097f087220843b3c4f8282705d6dc959b8e.jpg
My thinking on this recently turned things around in a sense. These platform have a luxury Nostr has not, in there being a complete global state of all the things on a 'single' database.
This means that before you can even filter, you need to explore. Now i guess the main underlying thesis is that with 'dead internet TM' we are forced to do this regardless (eventually), and that the platforms only provide an increasingly crumbling facade of a sensible world. Bias is not just the way we achieve finding the content we prefer, it is how we differentiate signal from noise, the real from the fake by distributing trust via the social graph, in the first place.
My point is, the 'pick your own algo' meme is not some cool feature as a result of liberating ourselves from the platforms; it is the unfortunate necessity as a result of the impending wave of chaos that would otherwise engulf us; something platforms won't save us from, regardless how totalitarian they become in an attempt to keep their facade alive.
Then again, I started out by saying ‘recently’, but in a sense I have just been spinning my wheels for over a year
#nevent1q…yf2h
Send 1 get 2 back scams are nasty too. @nprofile…t0d4 (Send 2 get 1 back 😆)
Reflecting on the passed year, as one does around this time, i am looking back at a book that does not exist yet.
My original intention was to have finished written this ‘book about Nostr’ months ago. This was mostly due to the fact that the first part about the problems with the status quo and how we got into this mess was so easy to write. On the one hand because this year just kept handing out example after example where the problems lie, be it the Brazil X-ban or the myriad of other occurrences; but on the other hand more importantly because i already had that narrative down years ago. While digging through my hard-drive i found an interview i did in 2019 that was never published, where i laid out all the fundamental problems, and the story is basically the same (video down below, it is in Dutch). This part of the book has been mostly done for many many months now. The issue was describing Nostr itself.
I can’t pin point when I got aware of Nostr, and I mainly build my intuition around the protocol outside of the ‘community’ or use of the protocol itself; partly because I am not a developer nor much of a ‘social media’ user. It is only recently I actually started looking at NIPs due to my work with Nostr Special Forces, and for the longest time I never even read NIP-01. This way of going at it was facilitated by the fact I could just discuss Nostr matters with its creator, to the point where he rather have me stay blissfully unaware of the NIPs out there to keep my thinking uninfluenced by them.
But when it got to describing the Nostr phenomena for the book, I felt it was not enough. I started using the clients, turn NAK into a new best friend and engage with the broader (developer) community. The hardest part is that Nostr is still so actively evolving that describing it in its current state would make the book outdated by the time it comes out. Giving projections as to what it will become has its own problems because it might as well turn out to be completely wrong. It forces me to gain enough confidence in my perspective. Having enough confidence is one thing, but that still leaves me in finding the words to shape an accessible narrative in describing a new paradigm. This is ultimately the point of the book and I figured the only way through that problem is iteration.
I am passed the point of diminishing returns on my narrative iterations, so the only thing that is left to do is put is down on paper definitively. So there you have it, my new years resolution. Basically the same one I had last year, but it is what it is.
Merry Christmas Nostr.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/3d9fcab72c20ee6bb4c8a3e54e2490dc7e281b643f4ce24ba8954a60e40d4ebe.mp4
I am making an epistemological statement you midwit; yet here you are rambling off assumptions as to what my position/beliefs would be, lol.
No, the point is that its a nice story but ultimately just a story. If you want to believe you dont have free will or whatever, go ahead. Its in the same realm as 'God', or questions as to what constitutes 'energy'. We dont know what energy is, we only know its expression.
Anyone making definitive claims on any of this is overstepping their bounds
'Rules of the internet' are descriptive, faggot.
There are epistemological limits wich make it such that we cant make these definitive ontological claims. Its a nice hypothesis though.
Belgians are so fault tollerant that they decided to have 6 governments
Why miss it? It is still here
Stop being a retard that just posts screenshots.
https://www.perplexity.ai/page/bluesky-s-payment-platform-pri-2XBEDAKESYCDnvpcV8VCCA
If you train you can enter competitions (its 99.99% w4men though, so bring earplugs)
I hate it when my parents fight :(
#nevent1q…wqgn
Reminds me of Bnet crashing after Remastered because my map folder was to large
You know Kabouters!? The only beings im aware of that are in direct contact with them are the animals, trolls and fairies.🤔
Animals dont know how to type, and fairies have no need for btc, so.....what is your favorite bridge?
Luckely enough, because all the vampires almost concluded that it was safe to come outside
I have no problem with doing it, and i do but only for short videos. The other side of it is that watching videos on these nostr clients sucks so thats my reason to share a youtube link🤷♂️
Dogs, perhaps, but definitly no girls on the internet, i know that much
Sir, there is an entire www worth of 'apps' to copy, and who knows that new stuff the Nostr paradigm enables. My sense is the holdup is in devs getting the paradigm more than anything else.
It takes time, examples, metaphores, and probably a 1000 repeated explenations for it to become a general intuition most people will just have instead of some novel thing they have to aquire.
What? were you planning on rendering chess matches, weather rapports, agendas, video libraries, music playlists, maps and navigation, tournament brackets, recipes, blueprints, books, climbing routes etc.etc.etc. as well in your superapp?
Give it time, it will click for more devs, and with a growing userbase attempts at things are more likely to get traction as well such that they get sustained developer love over time.
In today’s episode of ‘why you fucks need to timestamp all the things’:
You will die.
And when you are dead, your loved ones will enter your room, clean out your drawers and find that shriveled piece of paper that has your private key on it. Point is: The fate of every private key is to be compromised eventually (yeah yeah all the secret agent nerds with dead man’s switch self-destruct sequence shit can stfu).
It is trivial to lie about the timestamp of an event itself, and as a result the moment a key gets compromised, all sorts of alternative fake histories can be created in an instant. The problem with this attack is that the authentic history has all sorts of interactions with other authentic histories, creating some resilience; but this requires analyses in depth. Additionally this ‘entanglement’ gets less and less relevant over time and with increased distance in social graph because both reduce the ability to asses authenticity in the first place (i.e. you were not there at the time so how would you know).
But is there a way in which clients/software, which is by definition retarded, can latch onto something simple in order to make sense of the world? Yes, there is, (Bitcoin) open-timestamps.
Consistent open-timestamping by itself will protect your history, because an attacker is incapable to producing valid open-timestamps that refer to the past. But it can also protect your ghostly future.
If an Npub posts an event that contains the associated Nsec, it is explicit that the key is compromised and can no longer be trusted. Hopefully your loved ones are nice enough to do this. It implies a moment in time, a ‘before’ and an ‘after’. So if you were to timestamp this ‘publication of compromise’, an attacker can’t effectively attack your future because the moment in time from which the npub should be ignored is clear.
Now non of this is perfect, and because it is impossible to be perfect that is not the point. The point is mitigation in order to be more effective on the battlegrounds of ‘Truth’. Aside from that it is impossible, it is also not necessary to have perfect systems: In a sea of Truth, the Lie sticks out as a sore thumb due to inconsistency; in a sea of Lies, the Truth drowns due to a lack of consistency. What we need is sufficient Truth (and all its ‘entanglements’) in order to weed out the lies, and that is why all you mortal cunts need to timestamp all the things.
Also, never be rude against a kabouter, because he will make you small and you will end up traveling on the back of a goose named Martin.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/89f243ec701efa2a1a3da142858f473342bbb2030abaa1257e5b6231a78a0263.jpg
De kaboutertjes natuurlijk
I wont load the sound nicely, so i give up
Hopelessly correlated to the money printer?
I dont follow/understand what any of that means to be honest :/
(And i dont mean i dont know/understand FROST, i do; its just what you are saying does not make sense to me)
Poor CSW, first you guys refused to give him the BTC he totally legally speaking owns TM, and now you wont give him this? Pffffft. Can we atleast agree he is a master swordsman and Lord of small world graph turing completeness?
It will be recorded, but i expect it to be a total mess and figure we will improve things over time in terms of transscripts, timestamps, shorts etc.
But for now i will lie and say it wont be recorded in order to ramp up the FOMO
Implying CSW is not a spook
Why would using FROST imply managing keys for each device/app?
You guys use bikes in the jungle? Do you wear helmet? I bet you pussies wear helmets
When it is late at night and you get hungry...
https://image.nostr.build/9c25f071cde66f326a91bde6ff54b9dbd0890a8a0d5a68eaa03d48db452d78f8.jpg
I did not do this, the kaboutertjes did
The Congress (2013) is a very interesting movie that is way too slow in the beginning. It explores how digitization opens up possibilities in individual perception. You can choose your own avatar basically, but people are also free to interpret/see you as they wish.
In any event, go see the movie; but I wanted to talk about Kabouters. Being expressed in various types of folklore, the Kabouter is a tiny fellow that effectively hides from human perception.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/c6f67530935f30dbd0246357c8f7b59b1b79ccb0269970737331ef3c02cd8832.jpg
Thinking of the dead Internet Theory, and the increased risk of getting tricked into wondering through the figments of an AI's imagination; perhaps we could create this botnet of kabouters, that live their kabouter lives and form their kabouter community on Nostr, ignoring any outside interaction. A friendly mundane expressly fake community, that we can observe as a ‘living’ monument reminding us of the real fake dangers out there.
In my eternal search for the kabouter, i then realized we don’t need bots. What if there is a client that ignores everyone avatar, and replaces it with a Kabouter? And an A.I. assesses the activity of the profile, in order to apply to the image generated. Is it a happy kabouter or an angry kabouter? What is the interest or occupation of the kabouter?
https://cdn.satellite.earth/63efa9fe4b320b4f8c893c053f3b19f392eca13ed4389061c804280d5c185650.jpg
The result of such a client is, that i can’t be sure if you see me as i present myself, or that you have chosen to turn me into a kabouter, and color me based on how you (or well, your A.I.) perceives me.
The theme of fluidity of identity in a digital age is not new, it is just getting worse and more confusing. The Congress starts right at the cutting edge of that time, and subsequently paints its extrapolated future. Now almost a decade later we can already see some of the contours of that future. It chose an interesting style to express the confusion; don’t watch a trailer and enjoy (given you can make it through that excruciatingly boring start).
https://cdn.satellite.earth/3839891c9a9576ebeb5d57baa5c2027eef190d5e48a37e8604d15c9d26c8b369.mp4
Alchemists can't make more Bitcoin.
Talking about caps; could you please stop boosting odel, i hate the all caps stuff in my feed. Thank you
All i see is a screenshot, and therefor it must be a lie
You'd be suprized how many things dont just shuffle words through logic units like a little bitch. But you do you, and stay a soft(ware)boy
You are still a von neumann cuck though.
Fiatjaf made an entire podcast about it for a year. You should be ashamed btw, please remove yourself from Nostr, otherwise the council will have to ban you by force
i am sorry you were not aware, but you have hereby been notified
Sir, Starcraft Brood War is the official game of Nostr, and talk or anything else related to other games is stricktly forbidden
A million sats. Damn, hope this does not eventually end up at https://t.me/lightningfantasy in some way
#nevent1q…9tpa
I made sure to timestamp your post in Bitcoin (NIP03 open timestamps). Now in the far future, the archaeologists have something to off on when assessing the legitimacy of this event.
As long as they run Bitcoin that is ;)
Going to respotlight these this week. Who knows, maybe a new one will come soon👀
#nevent1q…9hzm
Dont worry, it will be there for a long, long time
Best worst movie or worst worst movie?
Ah you already got one i see, good good
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With tonight being pakjesavond marking the end of Sinterklaas, i will change my profile picture again tomorrow. The only issue is that the winter/christmas version also has laser eyes and i cant be bothered to make a new one.
So we will see in january.
#nevent1q…v6w2
Will take a while, both my sinterklaas and christmas avatar remixes have laser eyes.
Where did you conjure this recipe from?
PS: if you talk about persons and not persona (meatbags vs identities), they you are correct. Tagging meatbags on a blockchain is useless, just as with houses or bananas
You are confusing things. Blockchains indeed dont work irt 'physical' things. But 'identity' is just an abstract notion. Its just a registration of names and pointers, and signatures determine validity. So that should work fine.
The problem is that blockchains dont scale well on the one hand and you have an incentive problem on the other.
So Alex is correct in this statement: we know how to do decentralized global state, and we barely know and for the most part are still finding out over time if it works for money, let alone something else.
Accepting that, leaves us with putting keys at the center of the system, and as such you have no option other than 'combining identity and authorization'. Your complaint against that is the same old trap that makes people want to look at blockchains or whatever, because you need a registry linking the two if you dont want to combine them.
If your conclusion is that putting keys at the center of things (not an unreasonable possition btw) is unwise/wont work, then give up on Bitcoin and give up on Nostr.
Sir, von neumann was a mistake. HDL or nothing
Glühwein @ sinterklaas #luxemburg
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There is nothing in this world to prevent this other than coercion.
But your scenario is that selfsegregating people with a self segragating app/client will become dominant and popular? Maybe, also not really that impossible thinking about it. Then again, it is a large world and Nostr gives you all means possible to route around it if it happens; but when it happens it is a social phenomena, not a tech thing
Nostr is the real World Computer
I guess censorship as a result of what a client dev decided is hard to solve for if all devs decide to do such a thing.
But why would any dev start to do such a thing in the first place? Why would users addopt it secondly? And subsequently, if the clients are opensource it would be trivial to fork take it out. And lastly you'd think there would be clients not doing such things out there.
Lastly:
Hardcoded censorsing on a client level is just bad tech btw, terrible way of doing things.
Say you have really good reasons to want to make sure your users dont get into contact with someone; blocking that person hardcoded in your client wont help your users in all their other clients.
:/ . Its ok, i will be able to sleep soon, i hope.
When your sleep schedule is all fucked up, but you are sleeping over at people who have normal lives with corresponding normal bedtimes, and their house in on an alarm so you are also trapped.
Was planning on writing the FOSDEM talk proposal, but meh.
Nostree
https://image.nostr.build/0369fc46c6076005e63c510b2f13229fd836d303e2ab99a06e0cd35cdf57abac.jpg
The potential to do all sorts of analytics on 'notes and other stuff' and the socialgraphs out there is huge. I hope @nprofile…pd0l agrees with that and becomes Nostr's Google.
If this Nostr thing indeed pops off, i want to be able to buy bespoke socialgraphs and what not.
No, larger unit selection groups would favor zerg too much. With remastered they barely touched the game itself which is good. They made the engine handle more stuff and fixed some minor things.
You are wrong, but i already explained how all of this works in another post here.
So let me just ask you:
How would that work?
The mistake is thinking we would need any new games in the first place.
FPS was perfected with Q3
RTS was done with Broodwar
the other way around; you wont see replies from people you dont know on posts of people you do know;
You see posts from people you dont know, when someone you do know replies.
On the one hand its cool Blizzard came with remasters of Warcraft I & II. But it is a shame they don't just open source these things and throw them into the public domain (I wonder if it would even impact sales all that much, maybe). Practically speaking these things have been leaked or reverse engineered already anyway. From what I gather from one reviewer is that those communities in a lot of aspects do a better job than what Blizzard themselves did with these remakes.
I am also afraid they going to use their posts for training LLMs.
Its great, did you get to the emerald tablet part already? I suggested adding snake and pong.
Thank you for making Nostr tech😏
#nevent1q…667v
So the answer to your question is yes :)
Outbox relates to being able to get stuff from the people you follow, and is not related (per se) to what you are describing here.
If i link your tweet on reddit, you dont see that discussion either. There is no global, it simply does not exist, period. Let it go
Errr if that is true, then Bitcoin is doomed as well because according to you, wallets are throwaway.
Its just the problem of using pub/priv keypairs. They suck, they suck hard. And i do think FROST is a sollution
Meh. You can just trust an aggrigator directly like on that demo-site, or a nice market place where you select your providers, pay and move on with your day should do it.
Judging whom to trust is a problem in so many places/things yet the world still functions.
I dont follow. What do you mean by 'multiple services'?
I see FROST talk, so let me dig up this post.
#nevent1q…a3dw
The proces on https://join.the-nostr.org/ (just a demo, do not use it) is rather smooth, only that this does not explicitly give you the underlying privatekey, but it is actually stored locally so trivial to add.
You 'need' an active signer only if you want to be part of the multisig. Not sure how usefull that actually is, you only reduce the trust a tiny bit. Its still a threshold signature so collution is still possible so at the end of the day you still trust those that you made part of the FROST.
So no, you dont need to be an active signer, you just get a bunker link and you are off. If the link gets compromised you can ask the signers to stop signing and create a new FROST based on the same key with the same resulting Npub
Yes there is a POC:
https://join.the-nostr.org/
⚠️Dont actually use this!⚠️
Money (and I mostly mean in terms of monetary systems) is what people start wars over, that is to say that there is no ‘higher level of seriousness’. And I realized early on that Bitcoin, with its ambition to be money, resides in that playing field. War requires sacrifice. I do feel for those that did not realize this going into it, but it is what it is; you signed up to be chewed up and spit out whether you knew it or not. It is not a matter of ‘if only people would…’; no, the dynamics involved overrule all such fanciful idealism.
All you can do is find solace in your brothers in arms.
Thank you for your service.
Dont know if mstr stock gives divident. But yes you would sell or use it as colleteral i guess.
To be clear, i dont own anything, know nothing and above all dont advice anything. :)
Would you say you are an expert on such type of humans?
The Lord gifeth and the Lord taketh away. By mysterious ways you happen to experience the latter
Ah yes, got to love that constant purchasing power of BTC. I can buy the exact same amount of bread with 1btc as i could 10 years ago. Thank you Bitcoin, for not changing in value.
Because that stock repressents more btc over time (that is the plan atleast); so if you think btc will go up over time, your stock will go up even more🤷♂️.
Because Elon endorsed Trump, a group of people hate Elon; and because Elon owns twitter, these people therefore look for an alternative. Somehow bluesky became what they went for.
Because media people tend to be in this group, they made pieces on this, ultimately resulting in 'the rave' you speak off.
Nostr could have never caught this wave; if not simply for the fact that googling "bluesky" gets you up and running in a few clicks in a familiar way. Googling "Nostr" frankly sets you up for an evening of study and at the end maybe you ended up at some client if you figured it all out.
Just as an fyi, the point of saylors play is to increase the amount of btc per share over time. So perhaps striktly speaking he does not pay dividents in BTC; the point is also not to 'make more fiat'.
Wrong, you got an extra experience going through all the edits
You dont need faster than light comms, just longer blocktimes
What you are missing is contention over the use of edits on kind1 events.
Edits introduce a lot of complexity, whilst the idea behind kind1 events is that they are superduper ultramega turbo turbo simple. Assuming edits complicates things for everyone trying to implement Nostr.
As part of his crusade against edits, fiatjaf edits all his posts now to break user experience on apps that allow for edits, to make a point.
https://image.nostr.build/89994b956e5ab7e647abdfab37ed9deae695006def0e714884786693ade7e5f8.jpg
Staring at the bitcoin moon, watching this thing grow that is of interest to the whole world, because it is of interest to the whole world.
Circular reasoning is not wrong; it just needs bootstrapping
Been using lnvpn frequently for about 1,5 years now. Love it
Every kind should have it own follow list; and every 'type of thing' should have its own kind as much as possible; every kind should have its own app(sort of).
Follow lists should not be different because of the app, but because of the difference in kind. I.e. it being 'another type of thing'
This way, you get the flexibility, both in the type of feed, and in whatever app you decide to use.
I want to go beyond the Nostr as social media notion, and convey a bigger idea all together. I know i am close but i just cant seem to grasp the words i am looking for.
Visions in the minds eye...
Will be discussing it tonight on the Dutch Nostr meetup.
Weird way to talk about your mom,
Brave men tell the truth.
The wise man's tools are analogies and puzzles.
A woman holds her tongue, knowing silence will speak for her.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/a98c100368586635ee0ec4d9053a646fd4a81248440eafafb5fe2e3d48f7383a.mp4
Thou shalt not effort post in internet discussions on decentralization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrMGXwhFLk
🎵Zie ginds komt de stoomboot uit Spanje weer aan🎵
#Sinterklaas
So Sinterklaas arrived, resulting many kids to put their shoe at the fireplace.
As to what the history of the Sinterklaas celebration is, not all that much is known. We know some stuff about Saint Nicholas of Myra of course, but figuring out its pagan origins is much harder. Subsequently the evolution of these celebrations were subject to historical developments through time in the different geographies.
All across Europe various iterations of (seemingly) similar types of celebrations are held. Arnold-Jan Scheer always has been fascinated by the rite, and each year around this time traveled to remote places in Europe to document the celebration. Over 30 years of research resulted in a couple of documentaries, one of them is translated into English.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/f8c56524f55eb97b7f9ac94b0c06236d02d6a434d5fdcdb6f127f8589405d104.mp4
I am a Bitcoin Maxi because i studied an endless sea of protocols.
I am a Nostr Maxi because i am tired of studying an endless sea of protocols.
You think that is cool? All i am thinking is this poor bit that needlessly gets shuffled all over the place among billions of transistors in an exercise of endless useless actions born out of all the abstraction layers and shitty implementation. Yet no1 notices because its happens with billions of actions per second.
🎵Hij komt, hij komt, die lieve goede Sint.🎵
#Sinterklaas
He is on his way from Spain, on a boat full of presents. This Saturday he will arrive, preparing for December fifth. That evening, he will visit all the homes and give his presents; or will abduct you and take you back to Spain if you have been bad that year.
This intro/outro from a Flemish TV-series from 1993 does an awesome job capturing the vibe.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/460a381536376d79a548c23762e3af9e6419e36476df0d39e342b130d997603d.mp4
#profilepicstr
Apparently there are also people like @nprofile…hhmx who go around and make squint AI versions of peoples profile pictures.
It is kinda like the portrait paintings of old, where you get an artists impression of you. Perhaps these profile picture portraits end up the same as those paintings:
All collected under one roof and displayed in the name of the artist; and those presented on the image relegated with their name to the little placard on the side that perhaps some read, but nobody really cares about.
#nevent1q…4x0z
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#nevent1q…yejg
https://m.primal.net/Luqi.jpg I miss /moon and /tip 🐹
#profilepictr
Profile pictures are this weird identity aspect. You may know someone for years being in the same chat, and associate that person with the profile picture; meeting them in real life can be somewhat weird as a result. I know someone who put his profile picture on a T-shirt for when he goes to meetups, so people recognize him. Brilliant move if you ask me, but I never put mine on a shirt.
I did however put the Anti-hashed logo on a t-shirt, and despite it being this super obscure thing, I got recognized once or twice.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/6e9db7ec066ea2ca953d2146b19bfc4485507c668c7b46eb55f1fa97b7432704.mp4
#profilepicstr
Talking about Lntxbot for a bit here. It is arguably @nprofile…c9z9 ‘s best creation, besides Etleneum ofcourse. It turned every chatroom into casino, making the world a better place 1 coinflip at a time. One of Lntxbot’s special features was its ability to create triangle versions of pictures, and for a short while I rocked this profile picture.
https://image.nostr.build/c3b7496249c81f4a640776a93d048bb9dc7617eafedbf53790bad82598c5dbc5.jpg
Lntxbot may be dead, but this triangle feature is still alive on Nostr:
@nprofile…zglw
Something reminded me of the movie 'The Imaginaruim of Doctor Parnassus' from 2009.
I like that movie, but it is weird so it is impossible to recommend. Its about wagers with the devil.
Heath Ledger passed away during filming, and Johnny Depp, Colin Farrel and Jude Law stepped in to complete his part.
The entire thing is on youtube if you are interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43PjjfJMJ_g
When I studied economic history I wrote a thesis on the Coal Hoist, a large machine build to lift train wagons full of coal and tip them over to empty them into ships. Before this was done with shovels and bags, and the instillation of this machine in 1886 started the mechanization of the port of Rotterdam.
The geopolitical situation at the time was that Great Britain was by far the worlds largest coal exporter, and the German Ruhr area wanted in on the action but lacked access to sea. The German coal cartel lobbied ports to install these machines but would not guarantee coal shipments until such a machine was installed; local port businesses on the other hand would not invest in building a coal hoist, until they had guarantees that coal would actually be delivered; an impasse.
The main point of this exponentially quicker method of loading coal was to act as ballast for empty cargo ships (ships need a load for stability reasons), instead of something like bricks. Coal was easy to sell at any subsequent port they would arrive to pick up new cargo. This feature would make the port more attractive.
The port of Rotterdam was recently modernized to function in the new world of steamships, with railroad and hydraulic infrastructure via large private investments. But due to a global depression at the time it quickly went bankrupt after its completion. The municipality bought the port, and it ultimately was the municipality that ponied up the money to build the hydraulic Coal Hoist. They did so explicitly to break the impasse, and noted that the machine itself may never run a profit. The hope was it would kick start further investments in port development.
It worked. The machine ended up paying itself back at least, but more importantly more mechanization efforts followed; till the point where the Port of Rotterdam is one of the largest ports in the world.
This study taught me a concrete example of how large structural dynamics of path dependency, combined with bold individual actors, all within a complex amalgam of institutional interests and incentives, shape our tomorrow; an insight I carry with me when studying Nostr.
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#profilepicstr
At first I uses bitcoinbeach wallet to receive donations for my lectures, because it gave me a LNURLaddress. I don’t remember how many people listened to it live, I guess a couple dozen. I got between 25~50 euros worth in donations per lecture. Later I switched to LNtxbot.
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#profilepicstr
Three years ago I did a couple of ‘Telegram Lectures’ on various Bitcoin topics. It was hosted in the telegram voice chat of the Dutch Bitcoin Podcast, ‘Satoshi Radio’. @nprofile…45kc made a bunch of announcement thingies where he got creative with my avatar.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/9233b063ec0b533228fc5f614eaa596696117f982b1b0bc18493e9b5fa1f63a8.mp4
I will change my profile picture on november 11, and I am looking forward to it a lot. In anticipation i will share a miniserie till we get there.
I don't know when i started using this profile picture, but it did not always have laser-eyes; and at this point i am not sure if i will remove them at 100k.
It is a drawing of Radagast the Brown, a wizard in The Lord of the Rings world, that i found somewhere.
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I was not aware the ppq guy is on Nostr. But in general: <3 to everyone that allow me to pay for things with btc online.
Shoutout to @nprofile…35fm
ppq.ai
And il shoutout lnvpn.net while i am at it
If you are bored and want to look up a cool dude: Simon Stevin (1548 - 1620).
His first publication was a buch of tables with interest calculations, showing the true cost of debt to the public at large; something that was a trade secret closely held by bankers up until then.
He introduced the decimal system into Europe, a physics proof here and there, and translated the sciences into Dutch because Dutch is obviously the superiour language spoken by Adam and Eve.
He also made this thing
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The investment thesis behind platforms is via network effect become the be-all-end-all so users can't/won't escape; at which point the sheering starts.
My investment thesis behind Nostr is via network effect become the be-all-end-all so users are free.
Buy Nostr now
Nostr, where your puritanical attitude towards cryptography dies in the name of dirty disgusting revolting pragmatism and convenience.
Now, I have copy-pasted and cleartext .txt-file stored many bitcoin keys in my days, but nothing as absurd as how I have treated my nsec thus far. There may be a solution that is great, if only we take our sensibilities to a dark alley and shoot it in the face.
FROST is a threshold multi-signature scheme that allows you to take your Nsec, and turn it into a multi-sig where a majority needs to coordinate in order to create a valid signature under your Npub.
Check out a demo here (don’t actually use this): https://join.the-nostr.org/.
It is simple: you put in a nsec, and you get a bunker URL back. Subsequently you can schizo-store the smashed in steel nsec away deep inside the tunnel network underneath your home, and instead copy paste that URL into all those different Nostr clients.
Lost your URL? Or did the service go down? No problem! Just venture back into those tunnels, re-acquire your nsec and create another set-up at another service elsewhere, easy. Did your URL get compromised? Ask the signers to stop cooperating and reset the multi-sig.
Obviously you run the risk that the signers you made part of the multi-signature scheme collude and compromise your secret. But honestly, in a world where you are supposed to keep a secret superduper safe, but also are expected to use it all the time; getting to a point where the ‘keep it superduper safe’ becomes a lot easier because what you ‘use all the time’ is some derivative in a trusted set-up that can be swapped out, might just be an actual step forward.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
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What would be the Npub of a boyband?
Would it not make sense, if the things published under the boy-band's name, be signed by all the individual members of the boy-band? Ignore that they will probably have a PR crew, this is a grassroots upstart boy-band signing their own things and singing about uptown girls.
On may 15, Fiatjaf published a video with a demo of using MuSig2.
#nevent1q…5yx5
The use of this, is to publish under a new npub while signing with more than one person. Something we did today:
#nevent1q…mllk
There are no standards for this stuff yet, so if you are so inclined to verify this for yourself:
In the json of the event you can see two pubkeys mentioned in the tags. Use nak and run:
nak key combine 5ea4648045bb1ff222655ddd36e6dceddc43590c26090c486bef38ef450da5bd 3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d
To see that the pubkey of our goliath coming online is in that list you just produced.
Maybe these signing singers, will sing about signing next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HTexqxo1og
Nostr wont solve the hordes of lost souls trapped in the neo-simulacrum; it just gives the authentic a fighting chance to get refuge amidst all of it.
Well, fuck me i guess. Can these devs stop what they are doing for a couple of months, so I have a static thing to describe instead of some shifting amalgam of activity and usecases?
Cool, thnx
When I envision everything surrounding publishing an event;
I see bunch of monks in hooded robes with torches surrounding you, chanting.
While you stand in the middle casting a magic spell that signs the note.
And then you walk outside with the note, and get on a soapbox, take a bullhorn and shout the thing out loud.
The reason I imagine it this way is because we are performing a highly advanced ritualistic practice, its just happens to be done in an automated fashion by computers, so there is typically less torches and chanting going on. But all the signing and verification that happens in the back ground might as well be long drawn out serious processions in some ritual of old.
Apparently its something that evokes some sacred sentiments in me, while at the same time my perspective on publishing is highly profane; loud, needy and a somewhat obnoxious exponent of a craving for attention, desperately going out in all directions in search for an audience.
Perhaps its because signing is a very deliberate commitment to the particular, where as publishing is surrendering control and handing it over to generality.
And then I look at my feed with a bunch of ‘GM’s , I laugh while I wonder if you guys are, or I am, the silly one.
Would your posting behavior change if you would go though some serious ceremony focused on the fact that you are wielding a name, each time you post?
Authoritative servers (platforms) are nice because supposedly they have a bunch of advantages.
One such advantage is that they provide things like ‘global search’ and sensible like and follow counts, as opposed to something like Nostr where search sucks and likes and follows may as well be meaningless given how trivial sybil attacks are.
Somehow we believe this yet... You can buy likes and followers for these platforms, and it happens all the time. At least you can find everything that is on there, which is true, but also the point; you only see that is on THERE. Say you have a tweet, and its very popular. You can see all the tweets that are in response; but what a search function on a platform wont show you is all the conversations that happen in response to that tweet on forums and public chats elsewhere. The status quo already is chaos, and always will be.
The name of the game is providing sufficient order. The current platforms did that, their order is ‘sufficient’, perhaps by lack of viable alternative. And frankly, whatever order that exists on Nostr currently, is by lack of attack. But the thesis/belief behind Nostr is that whatever spam or sybil nightmares we will face, they can be mitigated. By means of trusted absolutes from authoritative servers and recommended follow and block-lists, an option that is still open to us; or by fancy WoT where you take an explicit probabilistic approach to glean signal from the endless noise. Or a combination of the two.
A.I. perhaps above all constitutes automated quality noise generation; as a result the noise floor increases and determining signal gets harder. Chaos is increasing, and the only direction platforms have is to become more totalitarian; increase barriers of entry by demanding more information and control, to keep their pretense of order alive. I don't expect the masses would reject this trend, and suspect they will go along; how ever many people these platforms will marginalize, that subsequently may find a home via Nostr, wont be what will win it for us (albeit enough reason to exist in the first place).
If we win, we will win because we are more flexible in dealing with the problems at hand.
Not many things better than down to a science hyper produced cookie cutter music with Kylie moaning in your ear the same old stuff about making advances on the dance floor.
Kiss bang bang baby!
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@nprofile…hp92 answering the question what is unique about the Dutch Bitcoin Community in 1,5 minutes at Bitcoin Amsterdam.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/753e982d97719c4461aafe60a2bea5126f19981983c97f5b0958d6dbc94c0931.mp4
If you understand Dutch, you are in luck!
Was vandaag te gast bij Cryptocast om over Nostr te praten.
Cryptocast | BNR: Nostr moet antwoord worden op dominantie van grote techbedrijven
Website van aflevering: https://omny.fm/shows/cryptocast/nostr-moet-antwoord-worden-op-dominantie-van-grote
Mediabestand: https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/8257a063-6be9-42fa-b892-acd4013b1255/610ea01a-74cf-4975-8b03-adc100b256df/80fa448b-4d90-490e-bce1-b21100c4a208/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=61ef8fcd-0143-4967-9902-adc100b3365e
🔥HOT🔥 ⚠️NEW VENJENT RELEASE⚠️
🚨 !!!NOSTR EXCLUSIVE!!!🚨
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In my previous post I wondered about keeping published content available. But what about questions on authenticity? Again, we will ignore key management because I am scared of the topic.
Under the nice comfortable assumption that a keypair is not compromised, a well functioning blossom world, and throw in some Bitcointimestamps for good measure; and I think we can get a decent system where you for the most part can tell if content is authentic or not. It wont be perfect, but there is no perfect solution.
Under the growing threat/pressure of “A.I” generated content, demand for workable ‘solutions’ will grow, and likely manifest themselves in central (trusted) repositories. And by itself, fine perhaps i guess, many matters of authenticity are dealt with in that way reasonably effectively. But my point here is that its so much better if those emerged on Nostr as being just another tool in the fight against fake-TM, than having yet another aspect of platform capture as a reason not to transition to Nostr.
What if this matter of authenticity, became the reason these people come to Nostr in the first place?
‘Venjent loves Nostr’
It is known.
Venjent is a Drum and Bass artist, that appears to have traction. He got attention by way of making shorts with remixes using samples of semi-ordinary sounds from other videos.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/9d9475c0460051997da4a7e69b8c456ee63c4353f516dbcfcae4ebe01308879f.mp4
And later turning them into full songs.
https://cdn.satellite.earth/8d21d8d9d60322227614f35d616bea5e7e45b9a14d484f8d6105e3becbd314b3.mp4
He clearly is filling a bit of a void within Drum and Bass, which is a sentiment reflected many of the comments on his videos.
All of this got me thinking, what would be needed for an artist like Venjent, to establish himself on Nostr?
The sales pitch for content creators is one of sustainability/robustness in ‘presence’; you can claim a name and build a following on it where you can keep your content available. But is this currently true? Somewhat true? Mostly a promise for the future?
Lets ignore the headache that is key management for a moment (convenient, I know). What about the content? We appear to be settling on blossom; or how a random person once put it:
‘IPFS that works’
But does it? How resilient are those videos that I share in this post? How easy is it for me to host this stuff elsewhere; and how good are the clients in figuring out a different source when the original link is dead? How smooth is it now, and how seamless will it become?
Now I am not arguing that everything has to still be there in a 100 years, and stuff can function fine for a while before initial links break; but what if you want to keep your things around, can you?
And is it actually an important component in convincing content creators to come to Nostr, do they care?
Currently Venjent is on youtube with 808k subs, where his latest release got around 30k views in a day. So he is doing well there. Would be cool to see artist explore Nostr. Perhaps even cooler if at some point in the future, new artist instead of on youtube or tiktok, rise up here.
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Does Nostr fix this?
One of the main novel problems in the modern world are women. Technically I should use words as ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’ because they are behavioral pattern mappings that predominately express themselves (especially in the edge percentiles) in males and females, but not exclusively so. But aint nobody got time for such nuance.
Male and female anti-social behavior is different; we are both human and therefor very capable apex-predators but the methods of warfare we engage in are varied. Male anti-social behavior very much is geared towards physical violence and direct confrontation, and aggression expresses itself through a punch on the face, a well coordinated shieldwall with spears, or a nuke; you get the point. Female anti-social behavior, for obvious reasons, steers away from these direct physical confrontations; instead they operate in the indirect domain of social inclusion and exclusion through methods of gossiping, shaming, rallying, ridicule, moralizing, psychologizing, undermining and reputation destruction. This is their method of warfare.
The problem we are faced with as a civilization, is that over time, we gradually adjusted to deal with the shifting expressions of violence/male anti-social behavior as a result of technological progress. We shaped our institutions to manage the ever increasing scale by which this type of warfare could be enacted. This is because their expression is very obvious and immediate. Things like the meatgrinder of trench-warfare or the atom bomb hardly go unnoticed. Not necessarily arguing that these institutions are effective, but for example we do have a UN in the context of a world with nuclear bombs. The issue is that we never had a similar process in relation to female methods of war. This is because this type of social power is very hard to scale, and therefor always remained somewhat localized.
Enter mass-media. Within the short time-span of a 100 years, culminating with hyper-acceleration in the internet, female anti-social behavior found its means to scale, and frankly its like the opening of pandora’s box. This is your ‘cancel culture’, ‘political correctness’ etc. Its like the church-ladies of old who were in control of reputation management in their local community all the sudden linked up allowing them global expression of this power. We don’t know how to deal with it, mostly because we appear to have problems identifying what is going on; and the moment you do, you obviously trigger the flocks of screeching harpies ready to deploy gossiping, shaming, rallying, ridicule, moralizing, psychologizing, undermining and reputation destruction.
As an aside, to drive the point home; seduction/baiting through false promise is also a nice female anti-social behavioral pattern that is currently on steriods via things as Instagram and tik-tok, and its apex onlyfans. Resulting in the masses of duped men we call simps, and it appears to have been a very lucrative war-campaign for a hand full of women thus far.
Dont get me wrong, things like propaganda have always been an aspect of ‘conventional’ war. This is not the point. The point is that we enforce social norms that regular men don’t go around punching everyone to get what they want; whilst in recent times for example there has been a very ‘aggressive’ push for normalization of whoreish behavior by women freed from negative consequence (complaints about slut-shaming basically). I gues the whole ‘me2’ ordeal followed by the demand that we ought to ‘believe women’ is another example. One where the accusation rests on male anti-social behavior (which very well exists, don’t get me wrong), in order to establish a new social norm that plays into these female methods of war like reputation destruction etc. The point is that in establishing social norms a new player entered the playingfield; the hyve-mind of the witch collective.
One clear issue with the centralized platform is that it gives this warring faction of anti-social women, able to coordinate on common interest, a clear target to vie for power over. Due to the (fairly recent) political inclusion of women they currently mostly seem to leverage the state as a vehicle to this end; this is very obvious if you look at the politicians and bureaucrats arguing for more control over social media platforms over complaints of ‘hate speech’, its basically all women.
Albeit Nostr solves this particular part of the problem, I am not sure that is the end of all our worries. But perhaps the freedom of association that Nostr provides allows the proverbial 1000 flowers to bloom in different attempts to tackle, mitigate or perhaps solve these matters. Opening up the opportunity to figure out a new sensible balance of power in the relation between the sexes, atleast for those who seek it.
Until that time, remember gentlemen, Rule 30:
There are no girls on the internet.
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Yesterday I made a post berating anyone who comes to Nostr with an expectation of privacy. So today I will take the other side, because I really hope we get towards decent DMs and groupchats would be even better.
This is because I really dislike this ‘micro blogging’ throwing posts into the vast open world for anyone to see. There is no context to them and tends towards the parasocial really quickly; its faux social for the most part if you ask me.
Meanwhile groupchats are an actual ongoing conversation with therefor its own context and everyone getting to know everyone else; it is only after they get really big that you get about the same dynamic as with regular micro blogging.
From a technical standpoint I am not sure if ‘nostr-native’ groupchats are a good idea compared to integrating a build for purpose protocol; we will see.
For me it boils down to the fact that I don’t want followers, I want peers.
Here is a picture of baby deer following their parent, have a nice day.
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I just saw someone complaining a new offered feature on Nostr somewhere is surveillance. For all the people who have yet to get a clue, a public service announcement:
You are interacting on a publication protocol, everything here is primarily public in nature; ‘the internet does not forget’ applies to Nostr as well.
The main difference with platforms here, is that its easier for any random party to go scrape, assess, profile, index and ‘surveil’ the living fuck out of you because they don’t need privileged API access since all the data is out in the open instead of inside a walled garden.
Now I can go into all sorts of nuance on the application of encryption, private-relays/relay policy and what not, but that is not the point. The point is that data want to be free, you don’t ‘control’ your data, and that you are an idiot if you think you wont be ‘surveilled’ when you publicize stuff online for everyone to see.
Now this is a nice tie-in into the notion of reputation, but il keep that for another time.
Here is a picture of a baby deer jumping, have a nice day.
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Hello Nostr, if you are in a great mood just skip this post; its depressing.
So I had not encountered it before, but yesterday I crossed paths with Child Sexual Abuse Material on Nostr. In my regular internet usage over the years I have rarely come across this stuff, though I guess if I were to look for it I would find it eventually;
That is to say, the status quo is that it does exist, but most people most of the time wont have to deal with it. I think this is important to realize that the world is not perfect as it is, when reflecting on these matters in the context of Nostr.
It goes without saying, but just to be clear: yes I think we should all learn how to tie nooses and identify adequate oak trees.
However marginalized CSAM is, some people want governments to go above and beyond to combat it. Prime example currently is the ‘Chat control’ regulation proposed out of the EU, which wants to install bigbrother client side on your phone to scan every single thing you do in order to flag any suspicious behavior/content, before it gets encrypted. How understandable the motivation might be, even advocacy groups and agencies dealing with the CSAM problem are against this type of stuff, if not just simply because they are already swamped with work/processing of material as it is; opening the floodgates with false positives wont help anything and probably make the situation worse. Aside from the obvious objections to forcibly installing big brother on peoples hardware of course.
Back to Nostr. On the one hand we have the end-user, that does not want to get confronted by this material. From this perspective, CSAM is just one of the many things a user might want to filter out, along with other material that might not be illegal per se but just NSFW etc. Whatever means we find to do this, failure by those mechanisms to do so is bad, unwanted etc. but not a direct systemic risk to Nostr; like I mentioned in the beginning, it is not impossible to accidentally come across this type of stuff on the internet today as is, and the whole world is still using it.
But it does become a systemic issue from the relay perspective. Here, it is not some incidental bad experience that can be clicked away. It is a crime to host this type of material which brings in the risk of prosecution for ‘simply running a relay’ that some asshole decided to nuke with CSAM or other illegal material.
But here my optimism comes in. Nostr is pro censorship; the theory is that every relay can moderate to their hearts content, because users are ultimately always able to route around such obstacles (very much like ‘the internet’ itself). This means that that relays should be able to adjust their policies and methods of moderation to their capacity to deal with unwanted content and risk appetite. From a locked down white-list only relay on one side of the spectrum, all the way to an open relay with heavy sophisticated analytics for assessment and filtering, and everything in between: albeit that it wont deliver us a perfect solution in all cases, it will remove the dark cloud of systemic risk to the protocol/network, because we are able to sufficiently marginalize the phenomena.
On a last note: when talking about filtering/assessing for this content it gets complicated really quickly. You can imagine some AI performing such a task, or using lists of known content to filter; however you want to do it, you first come to the question on how you construct that stuff in the first place; it requires gathering such content and human eyes looking at it. And then subsequently you produce tooling that can be flipped around and used as a search engine to seek and find such material instead of filtering it away. So yeah, there are no graceful perfect solutions I am afraid.
Well, there is one of course….
https://cdn.satellite.earth/a92bdd80dbd45e00636a9db615061eef168c3164a0e1bfa1abfb0784e74cd24e.mp3
Thus concludes my forrest picture presentation for now.
Time, such a fascinating thing, inescapably ever moving onwards. Winter is coming:
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Timestamps only give very weak indications of truth; but they are really good at catching certain lies.
Take for example the following note:
#nevent1q…gvfg
your client may have a hard time loading it, depending on when you look at this post. This is because the event claims to be signed at Thu Oct 17 2024 03:00:00 GMT. Given it is currently Oct 12, this is a blatant lie, and relays tend to not accept this event because of this.
But, what happens in 5 days? As soon we pass that 3 o’clock mark on oct 17, how would any outsider know that this event was not signed at that time, but 5 days earlier? It is easy to catch these sort of lies when you are present in real time and pay attention, but if you arrive after the fact, NIP-03 timestamps allow you to identify such a lie for certain if adequate proof exists.
And in this case, this proof does exist! Because I timestamped this event already, tying it into block 865274, which was mined around 05:31, oct 12. Which results in the following screenshot of Amethyst:
https://image.nostr.build/01ca55a150444cab7b3025b70f9c1dab7c1382a3d54ed3faefaa722ee2f208aa.jpg
The app claims the event was posted ‘now’ (probably because it simply interprets any date in the future as ‘now’), but also tells me a timestamp exists that is 9 hours old.
Now this particular type of lying (pretending to be in the future), it not all that interesting, I was just curious. But it does go to show that you should not trust the time the event claims it was signed, because it is trivially easy to lie about it.
Say hello to my fren btw: https://image.nostr.build/ec4b37e2d259015f1a3b9b39b4163c98ceab56ead83bd08ce82350a061c7814c.jpg
Everyone can timestamp everything at any time; the time-proof is valid regardless of who initiates its creation.
For example, at 01:37 on okt 12, I signed this kind 1040 event:
#nevent1q…pa2r
Which contains a proof that this kind 1 event can be tied into bitcoin block 865239:
#nevent1q…7t4j
And the timestamp of block 865239, is 00:02 on okt 12.
The event itself claims it was signed 22:11 on oct 11; this may be a lie still, but at least it was not signed much more than 1 hours and 51 minutes later.
Aside from all these time related dates, the described lunch date could also just be a complete fabrication of course; at the very least the pictures correspond with the stated dishes
#woodpeckestr
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Brave future historian, who will have to grapple with the archives of our time. Atleast you now know this event:
#nevent1q…yaj3
was signed before oct 11, 21:25
The forest picture links will die however, so our future historian probably cant enjoy this picture taken at noon on sept 11.
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Amethyst now lets you create NIP-03, Bitcoin based Open Time Stamps.
Unfortunatly i cut off the timestamp that is part of the original version of this picture (because it is ugly), so you will never know this foto was taken on july 12, 09:54. https://image.nostr.build/4f96ab676d551e4866b1d4856a8db756b53e094e17ba3c9bb75ff24ecd54839b.jpg
#forestr
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To everyone whose phone i have harassed with my nfc card that therefor now see this message:
This is actually a forrest picture channel
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/bitcoin/bitcoind/chainstate
Don't worry I have your coins there too.
Do it!
https://geyser.fund/project/nostrboothbitcoinamsterdam/
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The presentation i gave during Nostriga.
Nostr's adoption thesis; the less you define, the more you imply.
According to a review:
''the title you gave was very baity and not very clearly related to the content though, you invited the questions about mass adoption that you got at the end. But your answers to the questions are good and useful, even though completely unrelated to the talk''
https://cdn.satellite.earth/1dc27d3848fbd4cedb084a96719ad6c0914d1ff2d55c2d612fdf56ea91c5dc9c.mp4
https://blob.satellite.earth/756de1c3a4fe5db9df6804231888f7268e87cbf3f21eaf88f435c4168cc68bad
https://cdn.satellite.earth/3e98960184315fd1ab5cf3b06ba21f077aab206ab58c2fdc4db6804c3bcc6460.mp4
https://cdn.satellite.earth/6806a8ba583c75b8d6ebf10ea501e973a85564c88b810717ef6b635d477753b1.mp4
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To a large extend people were already transparent in the current paradigm, and remain so in this potential next one. The mask of pseudonymity and the cloak of encryption are but mitigating factors to the piercing eyes of big-data analyses.
The internet does not forget; an adage that is not precisely true for ‘the internet’ forgets many things all the time. But it serves as a warning before entry: Beware, you are entering a public domain that goes beyond space and time. You can’t control where the data ends up, and you cant control the ever shifting world it exists in. Anything you say can resurface, accessible to everyone everywhere at any moment. This is the trade-off for the fact that you can possibly be exposed to everyone, and everyone can possibly be exposed to you.
I am doing a thing, and unfortunately I eventually will need attention for that thing.
So from now on I will post very profound things every so often such that you have a reason to follow me.
'Nostr: A meta-data convention that allows for universal context interpretation client side which removes any particular requirements on the server side.'
Spring.site is worth consideration. Appart from the fact i have to add permissions for each individual app which is terrible and way to much hassle for me to bother;
It by far is the best thing to quickly demonstrate the power and added value of NOSTR as a protocol.
NOSTR is not a better Twitter, its a worse Twitter. Perhaps its a worse everything individually; but a better whole all together. Spring.site is a great way to get that point across
@npub180c…h6w6 heeft mij, naar Itialiaans voorbeeld, opgedragen in het Nederlands te posten. Dus, hierbij;
Waar zijn al mijn medelanders?
Het is patat.
Reminder to all, that all the fancy contract things we can come up with on Bitcoin (for example Lightning) where the idea is to leverage the trustminimizing properties, will make higher value transactions cheaper, they wont make low value transactions possible; because the trust minimizing guarentees on an interaction rely on onchain transactions.
Plebs get rekt, you only have business onchain if you can afford to bribe a miner.
You will trust and you will be happy.
This NOSTR stuff is not going to bring a 'better internet'; rather its embracing we passed peak-internet-goldenage already and things are bound to only get worse.
Now to be fair and clear, that internet golden age was a short term fantasy where capital subsidized the server capacity believing they could effectively monetize the platforms eventually, on the one hand; and intrinsicly motivated sincere content creators able to do their thing before getting harrassed by the censorship and noise inducing wrestle for power/controll by political interests, on the other.
https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_3093180763713125261700377523.webp
@npub180c…h6w6 made another podcast episode.
https://youtu.be/_1uqk7e31p4?feature=shared
Fiatjaf just informed me that his sybil attack is working. I will use this moment to inform all the non-bots there wont be a podcast episode this week; I have forrest business to attent to.
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@npub180c…h6w6 begged me to come up with this.
NOSTR is a set of agreements on a file system. Everyone indexes their own files using cryptography to describe under whatever name the data is published.
Because these names are random and unique, there is no conflict among the identities so they can all exist next to each other.
This means the data can be gathered and redistributed by anyone, and they don't have to concern themselves with indexing such that others know what to ask for.
You yourself can be such a relay, or use any (multiple of) services out there to transmit your notes and other stuff to anyone who asks for it.
This Notes and Other stuff Transmitted Over Relays (NOSTR) protocol is not special because it uses public private key pair cryptography.
Its method of success among all attempts out there is realizing that the indexing part is not what is ultimately important in becoming an open standard; but the practical, concrete means used in applying the index amongst each other.
Complexity in integrating the protocol into other systems results in centralization of development. The consequence is a limited offer in software resulting in a no longer really open standard that is in the hands of those who facilitate the tools used to speak the protocol.
By being specific on its simple set up, NOSTR can be a new starting point to set up the infrastructure we use on the internet; where we are free to name, share, find and experience.