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Original date posted:2015-06-27
đ Original message:On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <frankf44 at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails ...
... then you should also demand that the official archives of your
favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly
canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan
<laanwj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary releases
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"
archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not
try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,
it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,
code, binary inline... that's dangerous.
Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.
Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything
efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale
addresses. Obfuscation is futile.
This misfeature needs to be disabled.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami at gmail.com> wrote:
> archives will be exported
> and imported into the new list server
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info at andyschroder.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <s7r at sky-ip.org> wrote:
> Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and
> mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can
> provide a mirror for the mail list archives.
Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and
interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful
authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.
And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to
downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror
project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical
sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:
> ...
As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful...
a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another example...
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary
for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context
preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:
(Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)
c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,
data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives
of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links"
which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox"
version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive
users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to
postprocess them into usable form.
Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone:
418 attachment.html
106 attachment.sig
6 attachment.jpe
4 attachment.png
2 attachment.bin
d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '
in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such
case is here:
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz
Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw
archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet
thanks you :)
Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info at andyschroder.com> wrote:
> Regarding message footers and the subject prefix
Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by
the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.
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Original date posted:2015-06-27\nđ Original message:On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores \u003cfrankf44 at gmail.com\u003e wrote:\n\u003e If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails ...\n\n... then you should also demand that the official archives of your\nfavorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly\ncanonical reference \"mbox\" format that they distribute.\n\nOn Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan\n\u003claanwj at gmail.com\u003e wrote:\n\u003e Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary releases\n\nhttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html\nhttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz\n\nAs you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the \"mbox\"\narchives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not\ntry to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,\nit's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,\ncode, binary inline... that's dangerous.\n\nDo not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.\nSpammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything\nefficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale\naddresses. Obfuscation is futile.\n\nThis misfeature needs to be disabled.\n\n\n\nOn Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. \u003cwtogami at gmail.com\u003e wrote:\n\u003e archives will be exported\n\u003e and imported into the new list server\n\nOn Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder \u003cinfo at andyschroder.com\u003e wrote:\n\u003e I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane\n\nOn Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r \u003cs7r at sky-ip.org\u003e wrote:\n\u003e Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and\n\u003e mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can\n\u003e provide a mirror for the mail list archives.\n\nYes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and\ninterfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful\nauthoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.\nAnd any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to\ndowntime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror\nproject is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical\nsources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.\n\n\n\nOn Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:\n\u003e ...\n\nAs before, the current \"mbox\" archives are broken and not useful...\n\na) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another example...\n http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html\n http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz\nb) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary\n for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context\n preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:\n (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)\nc) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,\n data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives\n of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to \"web links\"\n which results not only in uselessness of the so called \"mbox\"\n version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive\n users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to\n postprocess them into usable form.\n Valuable content lost from the \"mbox\" files this June alone:\n 418 attachment.html\n 106 attachment.sig\n 6 attachment.jpe\n 4 attachment.png\n 2 attachment.bin\nd) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '\n in the \"mbox\". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such\n case is here:\n http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html\n http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz\n\n\n\nPlease fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw\narchives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet\nthanks you :)\n\nExample, compare the \"Downloadable version\"s here:\nhttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/\nhttps://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/\nhttps://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html\n\n\n\nOn Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder \u003cinfo at andyschroder.com\u003e wrote:\n\u003e Regarding message footers and the subject prefix\n\nYes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by\nthe clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.",
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