πππππβππ‘ππβ’ (nprofileβ¦r62m) Well.... I'm a bit elsewhere here: Maybe it would be about time to accept e-mail has the privacy and safety level of a carrier transporting postcards by making copies and shipping them from hop to hop in all cases? I mean, aren't we making things even worse by adding a disputable cryptographic system to a transport that is designed to use plain-text metadata and keep long-term archives of these messages, a system where, at worst, we use a long-lived private key to encrypt our messages which even trashes all aspects of plausible deniability because of, well, a long-lived key tied to our identity? Maybe we (also from a tech perspective) should be more fierce in recommending people against using e-mail for anything that requires more privacy than a postcard? Maybe we should tell people that, same as with the Fediverse, this is a /public/ channel where people are easily able to read and access communication and there's nothing we really can do about it except for abandoning this channel altogether?
About that metadata aspect, too, I remember rather well when WhatsApp adopted the Signal E2EE and people - rightfully - were still arguing against it because it still leaves metadata piling up at WhatsApp servers, but for e-mail this seems even worse... .
Kristian /
npub17mβ¦rgasf
2025-04-02 05:45:52
in reply to nevent1qβ¦klwc
Author Public Key
npub17m9yduw3z4n2l88euv4mxtu5v2u42mvtw00rh6vyvx7zsmq5kuqq6rgasfSeen on
wss://relay.mostr.pubPublished at
2025-04-02 05:45:52Event JSON
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