James MacWhyte [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2016-08-08 📝 Original message:One more thought about why ...

📅 Original date posted:2016-08-08
📝 Original message:One more thought about why verification by miners may be needed.

Let's say Alice sends Bob a transaction, generating output C.

A troll, named Timothy, broadcasts a transaction with a random hash,
referencing C's output as its spend proof. The miners can't tell if it's
valid or not, and so they include the transaction in a block. Now Bob's
money is useless, because everyone can see the spend proof referenced and
thinks it has already been spent, even though the transaction that claims
it isn't valid.

Did I miss something that protects against this?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:42 PM Tony Churyumoff <tony991 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The whole point is in preventing every third party, including miners, from
> seeing the details of what is being spent and how. The burden of
> verification is shifted to the owners of the coin (which is fair).
>
> In fact we could have miners recognize spend proofs and check that the
> same spend proof is not entered into the blockchain more than once (which
> would be a sign of double spend), but it is not required. The coin owners
> can already do that themselves.
>
> 2016-08-09 0:41 GMT+03:00 James MacWhyte <macwhyte at gmail.com>:
>
>> Wouldn't you lose the ability to assume transactions in the blockchain
>> are verified as valid, since miners can't see the details of what is being
>> spent and how? I feel like this ability is bitcoin's greatest asset, and by
>> removing it you're creating an altcoin different enough to not be connected
>> to/supported by the main bitcoin project.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016, 09:13 Tony Churyumoff via bitcoin-dev <
>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Henning,
>>>
>>> 1. The fees are paid by the enclosing BTC transaction.
>>> 2. The hash is encoded into an OP_RETURN.
>>>
>>> > Regarding the blinding factor, I think you could just use HMAC.
>>> How exactly?
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-08-08 18:47 GMT+03:00 Henning Kopp <henning.kopp at uni-ulm.de>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>
>>>> I see some issues in your protocol.
>>>>
>>>> 1. How are mining fees handled?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Assume Alice sends Bob some Coins together with their history and
>>>> Bob checks that the history is correct. How does the hash of the txout
>>>> find its way into the blockchain?
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the blinding factor, I think you could just use HMAC.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> Henning
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 08, 2016 at 06:30:21PM +0300, Tony Churyumoff via
>>>> bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>>> > This is a proposal about hiding the entire content of bitcoin
>>>> > transactions. It goes farther than CoinJoin and ring signatures,
>>>> which
>>>> > only obfuscate the transaction graph, and Confidential Transactions,
>>>> which
>>>> > only hide the amounts.
>>>> >
>>>> > The central idea of the proposed design is to hide the entire inputs
>>>> and
>>>> > outputs, and publish only the hash of inputs and outputs in the
>>>> > blockchain. The hash can be published as OP_RETURN. The plaintext of
>>>> > inputs and outputs is sent directly to the payee via a private
>>>> message, and
>>>> > never goes into the blockchain. The payee then calculates the hash
>>>> and
>>>> > looks it up in the blockchain to verify that the hash was indeed
>>>> published
>>>> > by the payer.
>>>> >
>>>> > Since the plaintext of the transaction is not published to the public
>>>> > blockchain, all validation work has to be done only by the user who
>>>> > receives the payment.
>>>> >
>>>> > To protect against double-spends, the payer also has to publish
>>>> another
>>>> > hash, which is the hash of the output being spent. We’ll call this
>>>> hash *spend
>>>> > proof*. Since the spend proof depends solely on the output being
>>>> spent,
>>>> > any attempt to spend the same output again will produce exactly the
>>>> same
>>>> > spend proof, and the payee will be able to see that, and will reject
>>>> the
>>>> > payment. If there are several outputs consumed by the same
>>>> transaction,
>>>> > the payer has to publish several spend proofs.
>>>> >
>>>> > To prove that the outputs being spent are valid, the payer also has
>>>> to send
>>>> > the plaintexts of the earlier transaction(s) that produced them, then
>>>> the
>>>> > plaintexts of even earlier transactions that produced the outputs
>>>> spent in
>>>> > those transactions, and so on, up until the issue (similar to
>>>> coinbase)
>>>> > transactions that created the initial private coins. Each new owner
>>>> of the
>>>> > coin will have to store its entire history, and when he spends the
>>>> coin, he
>>>> > forwards the entire history to the next owner and extends it with his
>>>> own
>>>> > transaction.
>>>> >
>>>> > If we apply the existing bitcoin design that allows multiple inputs
>>>> and
>>>> > multiple outputs per transaction, the history of ownership transfers
>>>> would
>>>> > grow exponentially. Indeed, if we take any regular bitcoin output
>>>> and try
>>>> > to track its history back to coinbase, our history will branch every
>>>> time
>>>> > we see a transaction that has more than one input (which is not
>>>> uncommon).
>>>> > After such a transaction (remember, we are traveling back in time),
>>>> we’ll
>>>> > have to track two or more histories, for each respective input. Those
>>>> > histories will branch again, and the total number of history entries
>>>> grows
>>>> > exponentially. For example, if every transaction had exactly two
>>>> inputs,
>>>> > the size of history would grow as 2^N where N is the number of steps
>>>> back
>>>> > in history.
>>>> >
>>>> > To avoid such rapid growth of ownership history (which is not only
>>>> > inconvenient to move, but also exposes too much private information
>>>> about
>>>> > previous owners of all the contributing coins), we will require each
>>>> > private transaction to have exactly one input (i.e. to consume
>>>> exactly one
>>>> > previous output). This means that when we track a coin’s history
>>>> back in
>>>> > time, it will no longer branch. It will grow linearly with the
>>>> number of
>>>> > transfers of ownership. If a user wants to combine several inputs,
>>>> he will
>>>> > have to send them as separate private transactions (technically,
>>>> several
>>>> > OP_RETURNs, which can be included in a single regular bitcoin
>>>> transaction).
>>>> >
>>>> > Thus, we are now forbidding any coin merges but still allowing coin
>>>> > splits. To avoid ultimate splitting into the dust, we will also
>>>> require
>>>> > that all private coins be issued in one of a small number of
>>>> > denominations. Only integer number of “banknotes” can be
>>>> transferred, the
>>>> > input and output amounts must therefore be divisible by the
>>>> denomination.
>>>> > For example, an input of amount 700, denomination 100, can be split
>>>> into
>>>> > outputs 400 and 300, but not into 450 and 250. To send a payment, the
>>>> > payer has to pick the unspent outputs of the highest denomination
>>>> first,
>>>> > then the second highest, and so on, like we already do when we pay in
>>>> cash.
>>>> >
>>>> > With fixed denominations and one input per transaction, coin histories
>>>> > still grow, but only linearly, which should not be a concern in
>>>> regard to
>>>> > scalability given that all relevant computing resources still grow
>>>> > exponentially. The histories need to be stored only by the current
>>>> owner
>>>> > of the coin, not every bitcoin node. This is a fairer allocation of
>>>> > costs. Regarding privacy, coin histories do expose private
>>>> transactions
>>>> > (or rather parts thereof, since a typical payment will likely consist
>>>> of
>>>> > several transactions due to one-input-per-transaction rule) of past
>>>> coin
>>>> > owners to the future ones, and that exposure grows linearly with
>>>> time, but
>>>> > it is still much much better than having every transaction
>>>> immediately on
>>>> > the public blockchain. Also, the value of this information for
>>>> potential
>>>> > adversaries arguably decreases with time.
>>>> >
>>>> > There is one technical nuance that I omitted above to avoid
>>>> distraction.
>>>> > Unlike regular bitcoin transactions, every output in a private
>>>> payment
>>>> > must also include a blinding factor, which is just a random string.
>>>> When
>>>> > the output is spent, the corresponding spend proof will therefore
>>>> depend on
>>>> > this blinding factor (remember that spend proof is just a hash of the
>>>> > output). Without a blinding factor, it would be feasible to
>>>> pre-image the
>>>> > spend proof and reveal the output being spent as the search space of
>>>> all
>>>> > possible outputs is rather small.
>>>> >
>>>> > To issue the new private coin, one can burn regular BTC by sending it
>>>> to
>>>> > one of several unspendable bitcoin addresses, one address per
>>>> denomination.
>>>> > Burning BTC would entitle one to an equal amount of the new private
>>>> coin,
>>>> > let’s call it *black bitcoin*, or *BBC*.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then BBC would be transferred from user to user by:
>>>> > 1. creating a private transaction, which consists of one input and
>>>> several
>>>> > outputs;
>>>> > 2. storing the hash of the transaction and the spend proof of the
>>>> consumed
>>>> > output into the blockchain in an OP_RETURN (the sender pays the
>>>> > corresponding fees in regular BTC)
>>>> > 3. sending the transaction, together with the history leading to its
>>>> input,
>>>> > directly to the payee over a private communication channel. The first
>>>> > entry of the history must be a bitcoin transaction that burned BTC to
>>>> issue
>>>> > an equal amount of BCC.
>>>> >
>>>> > To verify the payment, the payee:
>>>> > 1. makes sure that the amount of the input matches the sum of
>>>> outputs, and
>>>> > all are divisible by the denomination
>>>> > 2. calculates the hash of the private transaction
>>>> > 3. looks up an OP_RETURN that includes this hash and is signed by the
>>>> > payee. If there is more than one, the one that comes in the earlier
>>>> block
>>>> > prevails.
>>>> > 4. calculates the spend proof and makes sure that it is included in
>>>> the
>>>> > same OP_RETURN
>>>> > 5. makes sure the same spend proof is not included anywhere in the
>>>> same or
>>>> > earlier blocks (that is, the coin was not spent before). Only
>>>> transactions
>>>> > by the same author are searched.
>>>> > 6. repeats the same steps for every entry in the history, except the
>>>> first
>>>> > entry, which should be a valid burning transaction.
>>>> >
>>>> > To facilitate exchange of private transaction data, the bitcoin
>>>> network
>>>> > protocol can be extended with a new message type. Unfortunately, it
>>>> lacks
>>>> > encryption, hence private payments are really private only when
>>>> bitcoin is
>>>> > used over tor.
>>>> >
>>>> > There are a few limitations that ought to be mentioned:
>>>> > 1. After user A sends a private payment to user B, user A will know
>>>> what
>>>> > the spend proof is going to be when B decides to spend the coin.
>>>> > Therefore, A will know when the coin was spent by B, but nothing
>>>> more.
>>>> > Neither the new owner of the coin, nor its future movements will be
>>>> known
>>>> > to A.
>>>> > 2. Over time, larger outputs will likely be split into many smaller
>>>> > outputs, whose amounts are not much greater than their denominations.
>>>> > You’ll have to combine more inputs to send the same amount. When you
>>>> want
>>>> > to send a very large amount that is much greater than the highest
>>>> available
>>>> > denomination, you’ll have to send a lot of private transactions, your
>>>> > bitcoin transaction with so many OP_RETURNs will stand out, and their
>>>> > number will roughly indicate the total amount. This kind of privacy
>>>> > leakage, however it applies to a small number of users, is easy to
>>>> avoid by
>>>> > using multiple addresses and storing a relatively small amount on each
>>>> > address.
>>>> > 3. Exchanges and large merchants will likely accumulate large coin
>>>> > histories. Although fragmented, far from complete, and likely
>>>> outdated, it
>>>> > is still something to bear in mind.
>>>> >
>>>> > No hard or soft fork is required, BBC is just a separate privacy
>>>> preserving
>>>> > currency on top of bitcoin blockchain, and the same private keys and
>>>> > addresses are used for both BBC and the base currency BTC. Every BCC
>>>> > transaction must be enclosed into by a small BTC transaction that
>>>> stores
>>>> > the OP_RETURNs and pays for the fees.
>>>> >
>>>> > Are there any flaws in this design?
>>>> >
>>>> > Originally posted to BCT
>>>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1574508.0,
>>>> > but got no feedback so far, apparently everybody was consumed with
>>>> bitfinex
>>>> > drama and now mimblewimble.
>>>> >
>>>> > Tony
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Henning Kopp
>>>> Institute of Distributed Systems
>>>> Ulm University, Germany
>>>>
>>>> Office: O27 - 3402
>>>> Phone: +49 731 50-24138
>>>> Web: http://www.uni-ulm.de/in/vs/~kopp
>>>>
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