📅 Original date posted:2023-05-10
🗒️ Summary of this message: The concern is that the precedent has been set for existing maintainers to block proposed maintainers for unknown and/or potentially inconsistent reasons.
📝 Original message:Hi Steve
> Isn't this as simple as anyone (in particular Core project contributors) can express their view in this PR?https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27604
Nope. The extent to which the rationale for blocking Vasil as a maintainer applies or doesn't apply to ryanofsky (or future potential maintainers) isn't discussed. From now on the precedent is proposed maintainers can be blocked for unknown and/or potentially inconsistent reasons by the existing maintainers.
Thanks
Michael
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------- Original Message -------
On Wednesday, May 10th, 2023 at 03:44, Steve Lee via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Isn't this as simple as anyone (in particular Core project contributors) can express their view in this PR? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27604
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5:03 AM Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 12:36 PM David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-05-06 21:03, Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>>> Essentially my concern is going forward current maintainers will
>>>> decide which proposed new maintainers to add and which to block.
>>>
>>> This is how a large percentage of organizations are run. The current
>>> members of a board or other governance group choose who will become a
>>> new board member.
>>
>> Yes but it's unrelated to what Bitcoin Core is-- a volunteer project of independent contributors merging different pull requests or patches. The github controls are merely because that is how github works. There is also a secondary issue of people tending to confuse Bitcoin Core with the bitcoin protocol in general:
>> https://blog.lopp.net/who-controls-bitcoin-core/
>> https://medium.com/@bergealex4/the-tao-of-bitcoin-development-ff093c6155cd
>> https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/a-primer-on-bitcoin-governance-or-why-developers-aren-t-in-charge-of-the-protocol-1473270427
>>
>> - Bryan
>> https://twitter.com/kanzure
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>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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