Tarbaby on Nostr: I'm glad you condemn the october 7 killings then. And i'm glad you condemn hama's ...

I'm glad you condemn the october 7 killings then. And i'm glad you condemn hama's stated goals of killing all israelis. And i'm glad you condemn netinyahu's and the idf's desire to wipe out palestinians. We are on the same page. If the usa and israel had taken a calmer approach, instead of roiling up war and calling for war, the outcome would be many fewer lives lost.

Just to clarify:
i responded to your post because you said this is how to deal with israel supporter. I said no, he has faulty logic, do not make yourself look like fool. Grahm wasn't a fair target, he was an emotional fool.

James specifically said not to talk about the context. Re watch the clip.. he laser-focused on "these four words" like an ass

Both men are jackasses taking advantage of a tragedy.

As a former chrisian you maybe know of Just War Theory. The protected classes are identical to islam. USA began ignoring in WWii when bombing civilian infrastructure in Berlin.

Then the atomic bombs.

It is built in to ALL military doctrines that civilian infrastructure can be legitimate target.

You will never agree that israel is allowed to kill palestinians because you view the israelis as the true invaders.

But i hope you can float up and loom down on yourself and others

See how the other guy believes just as strongly and with just as legitimate a starting point as you that he is right and you are the one supporting murderers.

You both are trying to protect the innocent but the innocent are different people. And so you try to kill one another to protect your people.

When you each truly love your people, you can justify mind blowing (pun not intended) levels of violence against the people of the other side.

you should sub to the hamas telegram and really read their website. pretend in your mind you are an outsider and listen to what they say.

Sorry for the detail and nuance but as you say it is important.

Hamas when they killed noncombatants and when they endorse terrorism, show that they will "stop at nothing" to get what they want.

israel when they bomb one of the most densly populated areas on earth and creates the most oppressive surveillance state other than china shows that they will "stop at nothing" to get whag they want.

Pallestinians should fight for themselves and israelis should fight for themselves.

But war is very very economically beneficial in the short term. General lee knew this, and before him, william shakespeare before him roman emporer titus, and before him chinese emporer qin shi huang.

Powerful people love war.

They want the rest of us to take a side.

you and i don't know enough to say if this airstrike or that airstrike deliberately targeted civilians, or if it was a legitimate surgical blow.

And we live in an era of 5th gen warfare where everything we are told is twisted for propoganda. The lack of actual information coming out of gaza and israel makes this worse. Much of the intel from both sides is heavily manipulated and the interpretation even more so.

This war is hurting many young people and refreshing the ranks of angry genocidal murderes like ben on both sides. it's a thousand year old conflict that this recent development isn't going yo fix. It'll just keep going as boys filled with hate and pain try to relieve that strain in their head by killing the boys from the othet side

If you truly care about the actual children, go and actually help the actual children. I do not care about them, i care about the people around me. I dont have time in the day to care about palestinian kids, or north korean kids, or kids in thr congo or guatemala or new york city slums or the 14 yo prostitutes in LA. I am thankful everyday for temporary peace my people experience and i work to serve the people i know who are in need and in pain.

An israeli life is worth a palestinian life is worth any other life. Hate of a human is wrong. It is never justified.

so in summary i say both sides should kill as many of the other side as possible, and try to avoid non-coms / protect their own, and finish this thing. but the rest of us should expect way higher than normal civilian cansualties because of the geography, demographics, tools being used, strategies, etc. Noncom casualties are tragic and targeting civilians is wrong. But there's no number where we say "stop, change tactics" it's not 10% or 1% or 100,000. We kill until the other side surrenders so that they are not annihilated.