馃搮 Original date posted:2022-05-06
馃摑 Original message:So, to be clear, you didn't design speedy trial "to make everyone unhappy"
as Ryan claims, no?
That's a really strange claim on his part.
When the grace period for slower activation after lock in was added, I
don't think it was added to make me or people like me who dislike that
proposal unhappy. On the contrary, I think the goal was precisely to
address some of our concerns.
But it doesn't address them all, as I've tried to explain other times.
I truly think you wanted to make everyone happy with speedy trial, but you
didn't do it, sorry.
I know it' not a lack of capacity because you did impressive and genius
things like simplicity.
But despite your best intentions and your great capacity, I still think
speedy trial is a very bad proposal because you got the analysis wrong.
Let me reiterate that this is not attack against you, but only against one
of your ideas.
Sorry if I sounded sarcastic, but I was trying to be sarcastic with ryan,
not with you.
On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 8:24 PM Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:01 PM Jorge Tim贸n via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Russell O'Connor wrote the definitive explanation for how ST arose in
>>> the consensus process and how it was designed to make everyone
>>> unhappy. It's a great explanation of what we went through last year.
>>>
>>> https://r6.ca/blog/20210615T191422Z.html
>>>
>>> "On Building Consensus and Speedy Trial"
>>>
>>> on | 2021-06-15T19:14:22Z
>>> by | Russell O'Connor
>>>
>>
>> That's a lot of text, are you sure he said in there he designed speedy
>> trial to make everyone unhappy?
>> Well, if we're still talking about it, that proves that it failed at its
>> own design criterion of failing fast.
>>
>
> Quoting from https://r6.ca/blog/20210615T191422Z.html:
>
> > Speedy Trial鈥檚 design is not based on any sort of activation philosophy
> about failing fast.
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