📅 Original date posted:2021-04-30
📝 Original message:On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 7:59 AM Amir Taaki via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> A committee to guide the committee? You guys truly have lost the plot.
>
> All the good minds and cryptographers have left Bitcoin. What remains is
> an empty echo chamber.
>
> Truth is these problems start with lack of vision and long-term roadmap,
> not with the processes themselves.
>
> And the Bitcoin Core monopoly created this situation; one coin, one
> client, one vision. And the inevitable infighting for ultimate power.
>
> Really if we want to go down this route, there should be a long period
> of self reflection about where the problems began rather than patching
> some process and moving on.
>
> I propose Bitcoin Core is dissolved as the official Bitcoin project.
Nonsense, as it is not the official Bitcoin project. There is no such thing.
The community is free to elect their preferred version of Bitcoin.
Individuals have voted with their feet and are free to continue to do so.
It's anarchy, I tell you!
> And most importantly, Bitcoin developers commit to a fully specced
> standard that
> all implementations move towards using.
>
Who decides the spec? Perhaps... a committee of some sort?
>
> On 4/28/21 12:30 AM, Jaime Caring via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > Kalle should not be made an editor by an ad-hoc process. I reiterate
> > Greg's NACK.
> >
> > I propose that we form a stewardship committee of frequent contributors,
> > including you, Greg, and 21 others. The stewards appoint a small set of
> > editors with permanent oversight by the stewards. A defined process
> > prevents this controversy from arising in the future and makes
> > proceedings clear.
> >
> > My proposal has been moderated off of this list, but may be viewed here:
> > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113
> > <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113>;
> >
> > I care not for the role of initial transitory editor. I would be pleased
> > should any responsible community member shoulder this onus in my stead.
> >
> > Peace be upon you,
> >
> > JC
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 00:37, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev
> > <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> > <mailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxwell via
> > bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > > I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time. Those who
> > > believe [this] will resolve the situation [...] re: PR1104 are
> > > mistaken.
> >
> > PR1104 has been merged. Do you continue to oppose the addition?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Dave
> > _______________________________________________
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> > bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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> >
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"content": "📅 Original date posted:2021-04-30\n📝 Original message:On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 7:59 AM Amir Taaki via bitcoin-dev \u003c\nbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\n\u003e A committee to guide the committee? You guys truly have lost the plot.\n\u003e\n\u003e All the good minds and cryptographers have left Bitcoin. What remains is\n\u003e an empty echo chamber.\n\u003e\n\u003e Truth is these problems start with lack of vision and long-term roadmap,\n\u003e not with the processes themselves.\n\u003e\n\u003e And the Bitcoin Core monopoly created this situation; one coin, one\n\u003e client, one vision. And the inevitable infighting for ultimate power.\n\u003e\n\u003e Really if we want to go down this route, there should be a long period\n\u003e of self reflection about where the problems began rather than patching\n\u003e some process and moving on.\n\u003e\n\u003e I propose Bitcoin Core is dissolved as the official Bitcoin project.\n\n\nNonsense, as it is not the official Bitcoin project. There is no such thing.\n\nThe community is free to elect their preferred version of Bitcoin.\n\n\nIndividuals have voted with their feet and are free to continue to do so.\nIt's anarchy, I tell you!\n\n\n\u003e And most importantly, Bitcoin developers commit to a fully specced\n\u003e standard that\n\u003e all implementations move towards using.\n\u003e\n\nWho decides the spec? Perhaps... a committee of some sort?\n\n\n\u003e\n\u003e On 4/28/21 12:30 AM, Jaime Caring via bitcoin-dev wrote:\n\u003e \u003e Kalle should not be made an editor by an ad-hoc process. I reiterate\n\u003e \u003e Greg's NACK.\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e I propose that we form a stewardship committee of frequent contributors,\n\u003e \u003e including you, Greg, and 21 others. The stewards appoint a small set of\n\u003e \u003e editors with permanent oversight by the stewards. A defined process\n\u003e \u003e prevents this controversy from arising in the future and makes\n\u003e \u003e proceedings clear.\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e My proposal has been moderated off of this list, but may be viewed here:\n\u003e \u003e https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113\n\u003e \u003e \u003chttps://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1113\u003e\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e I care not for the role of initial transitory editor. I would be pleased\n\u003e \u003e should any responsible community member shoulder this onus in my stead.\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e Peace be upon you,\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e JC\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 00:37, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev\n\u003e \u003e \u003cbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e \u003e \u003cmailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e\u003e wrote:\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:42:12AM +0000, Greg Maxwell via\n\u003e \u003e bitcoin-dev wrote:\n\u003e \u003e \u003e I am opposed to the addition of Kalle Alm at this time. Those who\n\u003e \u003e \u003e believe [this] will resolve the situation [...] re: PR1104 are\n\u003e \u003e \u003e mistaken.\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e PR1104 has been merged. Do you continue to oppose the addition?\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e Thanks,\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e -Dave\n\u003e \u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e \u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e \u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e \u003e \u003cmailto:bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e\n\u003e \u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\u003e \u003e \u003chttps://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\u003e\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e \u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e \u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e \u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e \u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\u003e \u003e\n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev\n\u003e\n-------------- next part --------------\nAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...\nURL: \u003chttp://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20210430/93283b82/attachment.html\u003e",
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