📅 Original date posted:2022-12-20
📝 Original message:Hi alicexbt
There does seem to be some confusion on this which I'm going to look into. I don't think ranting and raving or throwing toys out the pram on the mailing list is the productive way to go though. I'll chat to some people offline and see what the confusion is and hopefully this can be resolved without unnecessary drama. I'll respond in the new year. I don't know if you celebrate but if you do Happy Holidays.
Thanks
Michael
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------- Original Message -------
On Monday, December 19th, 2022 at 23:58, alicexbt via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Hi Bitcoin Developers,
>
> List of present bitcoin core maintainers:
>
> Username
>
> Focus Area
>
> MarcoFalke
>
> General, QA
>
> fanquake
>
> General, Build
>
> hebasto
>
> General, UI/UX
>
> achow101
>
> General, Wallet
>
> glozow
>
> General, Mempool
>
> Last 2 developers that stepped down as bitcoin core maintainer:
>
> Username
>
> -------------
>
> sipa
>
> laanwj
>
> Process followed in adding last maintainer:
>
> 1) fanquake [nominated][0] glowzow as rbf/mempool/validation maintainer.
>
> 2) It was discussed in an IRC [meeting][1] and most of the developers agreed to add her as new maintainer except mild NACK from Jeremy Rubin. Some contributors did not like different opinions being shared in the meeting.
>
> 3) A [pull request][2] was opened by glowzow to add keys. There were several ACKs, 2 NACKs and 1 meta concept NACK.
>
> My NACK: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524#issuecomment-1172518409
>
> NACK by jamesob: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524#issuecomment-1172570635
>
> Meta concept NACK by luke-jr: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524#issuecomment-1175625779
>
> Eventually everyone agreed to add glowzow as maintainer and improve the process of adding maintainers. Pull request was merged by MarcoFalke.
>
> Initiatives to improve the process and documentation:
>
> 1) Jeremy opened a [pull request][3] and there were lot of disagreements with the documentation. It was closed since a related PR with less changes could be easy to agree upon.
>
> 2) Related [pull request][4] with minimal documentation was also closed by Jeremy with a comment that desire to improve docs seems to be missing based on reviews.
>
> 3) Jeremy opened an [issue][5] with title 'Call for Maintainer: P2P & Networking + Privacy' which was changed later and 'Privacy' was removed. He nominated jonatack and vasild was already self nominated so mentioned in the pull request. Nobody appreciated this effort to nominate self or others for a new maintainer. Later this was closed.
>
> 4) I had opened an [issue][6] with title Call for Maintainer: Privacy'. This even involved privacy of contributors and not just bitcoin core. It received some comments that made no sense and I eventually closed the issue.
>
> Process being followed for adding vasild as maintainer:
>
> 1) vasild volunteered to be a new maintainer on [IRC][7]
>
> 2) It was discussed in IRC [meeting][8], some developers ACKed it and there were no issues.
>
> 3) A [pull request][9] was opened by vasild to add keys which is still open and its been 4 months. There were already some ACKs from the IRC meeting and pull request also received some ACKs (16 until now). fanquake, dergoegge and JeremyRubin had some disagreements. Jeremy had recently withdrawn all ACK/NACK from bitcoin core repository for some reasons, fanquake has not replied yet and dergoegge had some new disagreements although don't mind if the pull request is merged.
>
> 4) Earlier disagreements were related to scoping and it was changed by vasild
>
> 4) There was even a comment that disrespected vasild's contributions in bitcoin core and we had to literally share pull requests in which vasild has improved bitcoin core.
>
> 5) I tried adding the topic for a bitcoin core dev weekly meeting but did not achieve anything.
>
> Since Bitcoin Core is the reference implementation for Bitcoin and used by 90% nodes, what should be the ideal process or changes you would expect in roles, procedures etc.?
>
> - 'Call for maintainers' issue should be opened if contributors or maintainers need a new maintainer.
>
> - Discussion about nominated contributors in an IRC meeting where everyone is allowed to share their opinion.
>
> - One of the nominated contributor that gets most ACKs could open pull request to add keys. Everyone can ACK/NACK this PR with reasons.
>
> - Maintainers should be unbiased in merging these pull requests.
>
> - New maintainer should not be funded by the organization that already does it for most of the maintainers.
>
> - Long term contributors that are not living in a first world country should be encouraged.
>
> - Either we should agree every maintainer is a general maintainer that can merge pull request from different modules or define scope for present and new maintainers. We can't do both.
>
> - Self merging pull requests should be avoided.
>
> Let me know if you have any thoughts that could improve this process and involve less politics.
>
> [0]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-06-28#826651
>
> [1]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-06-30#827695
>
> [2]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524
>
> [3]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25560
>
> [4]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25839
>
> [5]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25870
>
> [6]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25875
>
> [7]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-08-12#842847;
>
> [8]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-08-18#844523
>
> [9]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25871
>
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"content": "📅 Original date posted:2022-12-20\n📝 Original message:Hi alicexbt\n\nThere does seem to be some confusion on this which I'm going to look into. I don't think ranting and raving or throwing toys out the pram on the mailing list is the productive way to go though. I'll chat to some people offline and see what the confusion is and hopefully this can be resolved without unnecessary drama. I'll respond in the new year. I don't know if you celebrate but if you do Happy Holidays.\n\nThanks\nMichael\n\n--\nMichael Folkson\nEmail: michaelfolkson at protonmail.com\nKeybase: michaelfolkson\nPGP: 43ED C999 9F85 1D40 EAF4 9835 92D6 0159 214C FEE3\n\n\n------- Original Message -------\nOn Monday, December 19th, 2022 at 23:58, alicexbt via bitcoin-dev \u003cbitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\u003e wrote:\n\n\n\u003e Hi Bitcoin Developers,\n\u003e \n\u003e List of present bitcoin core maintainers:\n\u003e \n\u003e Username\n\u003e \n\u003e Focus Area\n\u003e \n\u003e MarcoFalke\n\u003e \n\u003e General, QA\n\u003e \n\u003e fanquake\n\u003e \n\u003e General, Build\n\u003e \n\u003e hebasto\n\u003e \n\u003e General, UI/UX\n\u003e \n\u003e achow101\n\u003e \n\u003e General, Wallet\n\u003e \n\u003e glozow\n\u003e \n\u003e General, Mempool\n\u003e \n\u003e Last 2 developers that stepped down as bitcoin core maintainer:\n\u003e \n\u003e Username\n\u003e \n\u003e -------------\n\u003e \n\u003e sipa\n\u003e \n\u003e laanwj\n\u003e \n\u003e Process followed in adding last maintainer:\n\u003e \n\u003e 1) fanquake [nominated][0] glowzow as rbf/mempool/validation maintainer.\n\u003e \n\u003e 2) It was discussed in an IRC [meeting][1] and most of the developers agreed to add her as new maintainer except mild NACK from Jeremy Rubin. Some contributors did not like different opinions being shared in the meeting.\n\u003e \n\u003e 3) A [pull request][2] was opened by glowzow to add keys. There were several ACKs, 2 NACKs and 1 meta concept NACK.\n\u003e \n\u003e My NACK: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524#issuecomment-1172518409\n\u003e \n\u003e NACK by jamesob: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524#issuecomment-1172570635\n\u003e \n\u003e Meta concept NACK by luke-jr: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524#issuecomment-1175625779\n\u003e \n\u003e Eventually everyone agreed to add glowzow as maintainer and improve the process of adding maintainers. Pull request was merged by MarcoFalke.\n\u003e \n\u003e Initiatives to improve the process and documentation:\n\u003e \n\u003e 1) Jeremy opened a [pull request][3] and there were lot of disagreements with the documentation. It was closed since a related PR with less changes could be easy to agree upon.\n\u003e \n\u003e 2) Related [pull request][4] with minimal documentation was also closed by Jeremy with a comment that desire to improve docs seems to be missing based on reviews.\n\u003e \n\u003e 3) Jeremy opened an [issue][5] with title 'Call for Maintainer: P2P \u0026 Networking + Privacy' which was changed later and 'Privacy' was removed. He nominated jonatack and vasild was already self nominated so mentioned in the pull request. Nobody appreciated this effort to nominate self or others for a new maintainer. Later this was closed.\n\u003e \n\u003e 4) I had opened an [issue][6] with title Call for Maintainer: Privacy'. This even involved privacy of contributors and not just bitcoin core. It received some comments that made no sense and I eventually closed the issue.\n\u003e \n\u003e Process being followed for adding vasild as maintainer:\n\u003e \n\u003e 1) vasild volunteered to be a new maintainer on [IRC][7]\n\u003e \n\u003e 2) It was discussed in IRC [meeting][8], some developers ACKed it and there were no issues.\n\u003e \n\u003e 3) A [pull request][9] was opened by vasild to add keys which is still open and its been 4 months. There were already some ACKs from the IRC meeting and pull request also received some ACKs (16 until now). fanquake, dergoegge and JeremyRubin had some disagreements. Jeremy had recently withdrawn all ACK/NACK from bitcoin core repository for some reasons, fanquake has not replied yet and dergoegge had some new disagreements although don't mind if the pull request is merged.\n\u003e \n\u003e 4) Earlier disagreements were related to scoping and it was changed by vasild\n\u003e \n\u003e 4) There was even a comment that disrespected vasild's contributions in bitcoin core and we had to literally share pull requests in which vasild has improved bitcoin core.\n\u003e \n\u003e 5) I tried adding the topic for a bitcoin core dev weekly meeting but did not achieve anything.\n\u003e \n\u003e Since Bitcoin Core is the reference implementation for Bitcoin and used by 90% nodes, what should be the ideal process or changes you would expect in roles, procedures etc.?\n\u003e \n\u003e - 'Call for maintainers' issue should be opened if contributors or maintainers need a new maintainer.\n\u003e \n\u003e - Discussion about nominated contributors in an IRC meeting where everyone is allowed to share their opinion.\n\u003e \n\u003e - One of the nominated contributor that gets most ACKs could open pull request to add keys. Everyone can ACK/NACK this PR with reasons.\n\u003e \n\u003e - Maintainers should be unbiased in merging these pull requests.\n\u003e \n\u003e - New maintainer should not be funded by the organization that already does it for most of the maintainers.\n\u003e \n\u003e - Long term contributors that are not living in a first world country should be encouraged.\n\u003e \n\u003e - Either we should agree every maintainer is a general maintainer that can merge pull request from different modules or define scope for present and new maintainers. We can't do both.\n\u003e \n\u003e - Self merging pull requests should be avoided.\n\u003e \n\u003e Let me know if you have any thoughts that could improve this process and involve less politics.\n\u003e \n\u003e [0]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-06-28#826651\n\u003e \n\u003e [1]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-06-30#827695\n\u003e \n\u003e [2]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524\n\u003e \n\u003e [3]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25560\n\u003e \n\u003e [4]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25839\n\u003e \n\u003e [5]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25870\n\u003e \n\u003e [6]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25875\n\u003e \n\u003e [7]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-08-12#842847;\n\u003e \n\u003e [8]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-08-18#844523\n\u003e \n\u003e [9]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25871\n\u003e \n\u003e /dev/fd0\n\u003e \n\u003e 'floppy disc guy'\n\u003e \n\u003e Sent with Proton Mail secure email.\n\u003e \n\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e \n\u003e bitcoin-dev mailing list\n\u003e \n\u003e bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org\n\u003e \n\u003e https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev",
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