id suggest doing some real brainstorming on this. i will too. if you already went directly to "we want what mls does" you have to realize its cutting edge cryptography and im not aware of *any app where it is in use because it is do new.
signal, simplex etc etc, they ALL use the tried and true 'unscaleable' ways, much like nip17. good for small group, not good for large.
so... there are some middle grounds i think, but, all the fancy stuff like forward secrecy, or users joining the chat and being unable to see the history and stuff like this, i think may be far fetched and possibly not even wanted. (many complain they cant see the history, discord doesnt do this, do you consider discord a private chat? many do.
this is why its worth, thinking further.. take the time.
cloud fodder
npub10n…ztl5h
2025-03-31 09:56:28
in reply to nevent1q…8w0n
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