waxwing on Nostr: Oh, that's interesting. First, apologies for not backing up my casual assertion that ...
Oh, that's interesting. First, apologies for not backing up my casual assertion that aut-ct etc. is me trying to "do" anti-Sybil without any details, but I'm afraid of having made so many posts about it in the past, I don't want to bore people. So overall: I think this question (how to defend against Sybil in (1) open (2) decentralized (3) private networks is just an extremely hard and deep question generally. For example, you say you see nip5 as weak and, I don't know, it latches onto an existing system which is quite "strong" but very expensive and it's also not private. While a WoT or other trust network solution might have similar tradeoffs (costly but *could* be strong) but could also just fail horribly dependent on algorithm. Meanwhile cost based solutions might be strong but .. uhh.. costly, lol. And "anonymous tokens from scarcity of utxos" as I'm suggesting is just generally weak, but could prevent bursty attacks on a system. So I don't know really. Also to be considered is pure proof of work, which has other problems/tradeoffs.
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