📅 Original date posted:2023-05-10
🗒️ Summary of this message: The process for blocking Vasil and approving Russ as maintainers in Bitcoin Core was different, with Vasil's PR being kept open for months with no explanation, while Russ's was approved within two days.
📝 Original message:> Blocking Vasil was discussed on a similar GitHub PR. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees, the same process is being used. Anyone can NACK and give a reason for Russ as well.
With respect Steve the process for Vasil was keeping Vasil's PR open for up to 5 months with zero NACKs and two maintainers refusing to engage on why it wasn't being merged or what it needed for it to be merged. Followed by a later justification for blocking it that they've refused to discuss whether it applies to Russ.
The process for Russ was the maintainers deciding privately there was a need for a maintainer "who understood our interfaces and modularization efforts well" and his PR was merged within 2 days.
If that's the same process to you I don't know what to say. We have different perspectives on what constitutes a decision process.
(I'm sure this is clear but just to reiterate in case it isn't none of this is a criticism of Russ.)
Thanks
Michael
--
Michael Folkson
Email: michaelfolkson at [protonmail.com](http://protonmail.com/)
GPG: A2CF5D71603C92010659818D2A75D601B23FEE0F
Learn about Bitcoin: https://www.youtube.com/@portofbitcoin
------- Original Message -------
On Wednesday, May 10th, 2023 at 17:36, Steve Lee <steven.j.lee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Blocking Vasil was discussed on a similar GitHub PR. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees, the same process is being used. Anyone can NACK and give a reason for Russ as well.
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 8:55 AM Michael Folkson <michaelfolkson at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve
>>
>>> Isn't this as simple as anyone (in particular Core project contributors) can express their view in this PR?https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27604
>>
>> Nope. The extent to which the rationale for blocking Vasil as a maintainer applies or doesn't apply to ryanofsky (or future potential maintainers) isn't discussed. From now on the precedent is proposed maintainers can be blocked for unknown and/or potentially inconsistent reasons by the existing maintainers.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Michael
>>
>> --
>> Michael Folkson
>> Email: michaelfolkson at [protonmail.com](http://protonmail.com/)
>> GPG: A2CF5D71603C92010659818D2A75D601B23FEE0F
>>
>> Learn about Bitcoin: https://www.youtube.com/@portofbitcoin
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Wednesday, May 10th, 2023 at 03:44, Steve Lee via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't this as simple as anyone (in particular Core project contributors) can express their view in this PR? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27604
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5:03 AM Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 12:36 PM David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-05-06 21:03, Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>>>>> Essentially my concern is going forward current maintainers will
>>>>>> decide which proposed new maintainers to add and which to block.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is how a large percentage of organizations are run. The current
>>>>> members of a board or other governance group choose who will become a
>>>>> new board member.
>>>>
>>>> Yes but it's unrelated to what Bitcoin Core is-- a volunteer project of independent contributors merging different pull requests or patches. The github controls are merely because that is how github works. There is also a secondary issue of people tending to confuse Bitcoin Core with the bitcoin protocol in general:
>>>> https://blog.lopp.net/who-controls-bitcoin-core/
>>>> https://medium.com/@bergealex4/the-tao-of-bitcoin-development-ff093c6155cd
>>>> https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/a-primer-on-bitcoin-governance-or-why-developers-aren-t-in-charge-of-the-protocol-1473270427
>>>>
>>>> - Bryan
>>>> https://twitter.com/kanzure
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Followed by a later justification for blocking it that they've refused to discuss whether it applies to Russ.\n\nThe process for Russ was the maintainers deciding privately there was a need for a maintainer \"who understood our interfaces and modularization efforts well\" and his PR was merged within 2 days.\n\nIf that's the same process to you I don't know what to say. We have different perspectives on what constitutes a decision process.\n\n(I'm sure this is clear but just to reiterate in case it isn't none of this is a criticism of Russ.)\n\nThanks\nMichael\n\n--\nMichael Folkson\nEmail: michaelfolkson at [protonmail.com](http://protonmail.com/)\nGPG: A2CF5D71603C92010659818D2A75D601B23FEE0F\n\nLearn about Bitcoin: https://www.youtube.com/@portofbitcoin\n\n------- Original Message -------\nOn Wednesday, May 10th, 2023 at 17:36, Steve Lee \u003csteven.j.lee at gmail.com\u003e wrote:\n\n\u003e Blocking Vasil was discussed on a similar GitHub PR. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees, the same process is being used. Anyone can NACK and give a reason for Russ as well.\n\u003e\n\u003e On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 8:55 AM Michael Folkson \u003cmichaelfolkson at protonmail.com\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Hi Steve\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\u003e Isn't this as simple as anyone (in particular Core project contributors) can express their view in this PR?https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27604\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Nope. The extent to which the rationale for blocking Vasil as a maintainer applies or doesn't apply to ryanofsky (or future potential maintainers) isn't discussed. 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