I listened to the Kamala Harris interview on the podcast Call Her Daddy (which I'd never heard of before this) and was impressed. She connected. She didn't rant, barely used her talking points, and spoke plainly and clearly about issues important to people.
Apparently this is a really popular podcast, so I'm hoping it moves the needle a little on uninformed voters.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4B9WOUCWY8qY0f9MMjOSXa