📅 Original date posted:2015-09-28
📝 Original message:Why are they called soft forks when they are really hidden forks? Isn't
the point of a soft fork to prevent old clients from rejecting what they
don't have the code to validate? That seems dangerous.
notplato
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:12 PM, odinn via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
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> And still no movement on BIP 63...
>
> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1083961.20
>
> Apart from that,
>
> All my prior objections to XT still hold as expressed on this list.
> XT is not acceptable.
>
> On the topic of consensus:
>
> Reaching consensus, I hope, is something that developers can
> accomplish by refining and adjusting the BIPS and coming to agreement
> upon them. This should be something that can be done in a few months
> time, before the end of the year.
>
> Cheers,
>
> - - O
>
> Adam Back via bitcoin-dev:
> > I wonder what Gavin's views are, he's usually constructive, and see
> > if he'll include it in XT - I think he may have said he was
> > supportive.
> >
> > The rationale for soft vs hard-forks is well known, so I wont go
> > over them.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > On 28 September 2015 at 06:48, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev
> > <bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >> There is no consensus on using a soft fork to deploy this
> >> feature. It will result in the same problems as all the other
> >> soft forks - SPV wallets will become less reliable during the
> >> rollout period. I am against that, as it's entirely avoidable.
> >>
> >> Make it a hard fork and my objection will be dropped.
> >>
> >> Until then, as there is no consensus, you need to do one of two
> >> things:
> >>
> >> 1) Drop the "everyone must agree to make changes" idea that
> >> people here like to peddle, and do it loudly, so everyone in the
> >> community is correctly informed
> >>
> >> 2) Do nothing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev
> >> mailing list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> >>
> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
> > list bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> >
>
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> and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
> https://keybase.io/odinn
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