Jan Vornberger [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2011-10-25 🗒️ Summary of this message: Jan is ...

📅 Original date posted:2011-10-25
🗒️ Summary of this message: Jan is discussing the implementation of green addresses in Bitcoin transactions and considering two options: a hackish solution or a proper implementation.
📝 Original message:Am Mo, 24.10.2011, 16:55, schrieb Gavin Andresen:
>> So my first shot at this is to go through the inputs of a transaction and
>> see if the scriptSig field has only two opcodes. If that is the case, I
assume that it is of the structure <sig> <pubKey> and calculate the
Bitcoin address from <pubKey>.
>> But then I started to wonder if this is safe. Can this be tricked somehow?
>
> Sure. There are lots of non-standard scriptPubKey scripts that will
validate if given <sig> <pubKey> as input: a simple OP_NOP would work
(do nothing, then check the top value on the stack and validate if it is
not zero-- and <pubKey> is not zero).

Aw, I see. So back to the drawing board for me.

How about this: I make sure that <sig> is a proper signature from a green
address key, by bringing my own scriptPubKey of just OP_CHECKSIG, complete
the script to be <sig> <pubKey> OP_CHECKSIG, and run it and afterwards
check the address by looking at <pubKey>? Would that be safe? (Even if it
is a hackish solution that only works for certain type of transactions):

> Green addresses could be implemented as a second signature in the
scriptSig. You'd have to hack your bitcoin client, but you could
generate a transaction that had <greensig> <sig> <pubKey> ... as the
input instead of <sig> <pubKey>.

Interesting suggestion! So if I understand correctly, <greensig> would be
the signature generated from signing the transaction with the key of a
green address? Which would allow the rest of the transaction to be
completely 'normal' and not require it to use specific inputs as such?
Sounds good - I guess I never thought in this direction, as I always
assumed doing anything 'non-standard' with the scripting language would
create a number of knock-on problems. But you are saying, that this would
still be considered standard? I guess I have to study this part of the
source code more.

Well, I guess I'm torn a little bit between two options:

1) Get something working reasonable fast to detect current green address
style transactions. It's fine if it is a little bit of a hack, as long as
it's safe, since I don't expect it to be merged with mainline anyway at
this point.

2) Rethink how green transactions are created and verified and try to put
something 'proper' together which has a chance of being merged at some
point.

For the moment I was going more with 1) because I got the impression, that
green transactions are too controversial at this point to get them
included in mainline. Criticism ranging from 'unnecessary, as
0-confirmation transactions are fairly safe today' to 'encourages too much
centralization and therefore evil'. So how to people on this list feel
about green transactions? Would people be interested in helping me with
2)?

Regards,
Jan