ark is much closer to what I want, provided it can leverage CTV to reduce interactivity as much as possible. I think the puck is moving in this direction right now
this is the only paper that makes me think that cashu can be made to be non-custodial:
https://hackmd.io/@abdelhamid/cashu-starks
bitcoin will probably have onchain ZKP verification, but not until much later.
in both cases, we end up with a tighter connection to the blockchain. L2 should inherit security from L1
goatmeal /
npub1g0…7gqpz
2025-06-04 15:01:02
in reply to nevent1q…kh4u
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npub1g0atme30l6s65rw6ulq2cqahq9lzmpj0sejhsjcqh0azlyg5cp4qf7gqpzPublished at
2025-06-04 15:01:02Event JSON
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