📅 Original date posted:2023-07-16
🗒️ Summary of this message: The user is testing LND <-> app integration and wants a flag to enable self-payment without going through the network.
📝 Original message:
Yeah, my point was to not have to setup any other instance of LND. I'm just
testing LND <-> app integration - whether the app receives payments from
LND. So another similar flag to do self-payment without going through
network would be ideal.
Dňa ne 16. 7. 2023, 19:32 Olaoluwa Osuntokun <laolu32 at gmail.com> napísal(a):
> lnd supports paying invoices it generates, you just need to set the
> `allow_self_payment` field using this
> API: https://lightning.engineering/api-docs/api/lnd/router/send-payment-v2
> .
>
> This _does_ end up actually finding a circular route through the network
> though, it's most commonly used to implement circular rebalancing.
>
> However if you set up another node, and then fund bi-lateral "trusted
> channels" (so zero conf channel that will never actually confirm as the
> funding point will never exist on chain), then you gain the ability to pay
> invoices without doing the actual network route. This doesn't need any
> other
> external software, and also gives you all the normal payment/invoice
> records
> you'd expect for normal payments.
>
> Another way to accomplish the same thing would be to use the
> `"allow-circular-route` flag, which'll let you double back on the same
> channel (incoming+outgoing channel is the same for the route).
>
> -- Laolu
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 8:22 PM fiatjaf <fiatjaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 3:47 AM David A. Harding <dave at dtrt.org> wrote:
>> > My question is whether you think it would be worthwhile to ask
>> > developers of the underlying LN node implementations you use to support
>> > self-payment of their own invoices (if they don't already).
>>
>> As far as I know no Lightning node has this ability, which is very
>> unfortunate.
>> If possible this should definitely be implemented. It would be the
>> biggest feature for custodial Lightning service providers of all kinds
>> since always.
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