📅 Original date posted:2013-09-29
📝 Original message:On 29 September 2013 04:28, Neil Fincham <neil at asdf.co.nz> wrote:
> I subscribe to this list so I can keep up-to date with bitcoin
> development, can we keep philosophy and tax evasion out of it?
>
Hi Neil, perhaps I didnt present the use case clearly. It was not about
evasion, it was about voluntary donations going to the correct place, being
verified by an oracle. I dont wish to stray off topic, so I'll leave it at
that.
>
> Neil
>
>
> On 29 September 2013 09:15, <rob.golding at astutium.com> wrote:
>
>> > But the regulatory environment in many geographical regions in
>> > uncertain. Do we need to pay capital gains? Do we need to pay a
>> > sales taxs etc. etc.
>>
>> In most regions it's not only 'simple' but trivial - BTC is just
>> 'another currency' and accounted for exactly the same way - it doens't
>> matter if you sell your hose for GBP, USD, EUR, BTC or sacks of Pig
>> Dung, you still have a GBP tax issue ...
>>
>> > So my idea is to voluntarily pre empt legislation by giving donations
>> > to govt (aka taxation) for bitcoin service providers.
>>
>> You want to volunteer to pay tax ? I'd suggest stronger medication ...
>>
>> > However, there is something of a problem with voluntary donations.
>> > Most people are not satisfied with the way they are spent.
>>
>> 80% of 'donations' end up spent on 'adminsitration' and not what they
>> were donated for, this is a 'greed' issue not a 'currency' issue.
>>
>> > In the UK
>> > a recent survey said that only 18% of people thought that tax money
>> > was wisely spent.
>>
>> Tax isn't voluntary or a donation. The 18% who think UK tax is well
>> spent are the 18% of the population who get the tax money, not the 82%
>> that pay it ;)
>>
>> > Can we fix it?
>>
>> First we kill all the politicians ...
>>
>> > So let's say I run a business and I make 1 million euros. I wish to
>> > donate 10% of my profits to society. But let's say I dont want that
>> > money to go to wars of aggression, but rather, to the fire
>> > de[department.
>>
>> So give it to the FD - what you do with your post-tax profits are up to
>> you ;)
>>
>> > At this point everyone wins. The business person is happy to make a
>> > contribution. The govt. is happy that it gets more revenue. The
>> > fire dept. is happy that it has revenue to do its work. And
>> > everything has gone to the right place in a kind of democratic way.
>>
>> Where does gov't come into this ? I think you're confusing 'tax' which
>> you have zero control over and 'donations' which you already have 100%
>> control over.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
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Do we need to pay a\n\u003e\u003e \u003e sales taxs etc. etc.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e In most regions it's not only 'simple' but trivial - BTC is just\n\u003e\u003e 'another currency' and accounted for exactly the same way - it doens't\n\u003e\u003e matter if you sell your hose for GBP, USD, EUR, BTC or sacks of Pig\n\u003e\u003e Dung, you still have a GBP tax issue ...\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e So my idea is to voluntarily pre empt legislation by giving donations\n\u003e\u003e \u003e to govt (aka taxation) for bitcoin service providers.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e You want to volunteer to pay tax ? I'd suggest stronger medication ...\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e However, there is something of a problem with voluntary donations.\n\u003e\u003e \u003e Most people are not satisfied with the way they are spent.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e 80% of 'donations' end up spent on 'adminsitration' and not what they\n\u003e\u003e were donated for, this is a 'greed' issue not a 'currency' issue.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e In the UK\n\u003e\u003e \u003e a recent survey said that only 18% of people thought that tax money\n\u003e\u003e \u003e was wisely spent.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Tax isn't voluntary or a donation. The 18% who think UK tax is well\n\u003e\u003e spent are the 18% of the population who get the tax money, not the 82%\n\u003e\u003e that pay it ;)\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e Can we fix it?\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e First we kill all the politicians ...\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e So let's say I run a business and I make 1 million euros. 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