đź“… Original date posted:2014-01-17
đź“ť Original message:To clarify, there are proposals to make miners recognize this
situation and account for it, only eligius is running it at the moment
IIRC:
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/8390/are-there-any-pools-or-large-miners-running-child-pays-for-parent-patch
Right now if you were to try it likely wouldn't result in inclusion.
But this is on the radar, and I suspect it'll eventually get merged
into mainline.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Dâniel Fraga <fragabr at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is good news! Thank you very much Ben for the answer.
>
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:52:39 -0800
> Ben Davenport <bendavenport at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You can create a transaction which spends the output to yourself, attaching
>> a fee to that transaction. In order for miners to grab the transaction fee
>> on that transaction, they would have to also mine the original transaction.
>> Likely, you'd have to do this by hand, but software could be written to
>> simplify doing it. No protocol changes needed.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Dâniel Fraga <fragabr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Someone sent me a very small donation (0.00121 BTC) without
>> > paying fees. I don't know who sent it and I know this type of
>> > transaction are usually rejected by miners. Take a look at it below:
>> >
>> > https://imageshack.com/i/ngv5g8j
>> >
>> > Even with the a low probability of confirmation, I
>> > was hoping that after a few days it could be included in a block, but
>> > Blockchain.info simply removed it (I know the sender sent from a
>> > Blockchain.info wallet, because he added a note):
>> >
>> >
>> > https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3cde47ee3979a46b36bd61bdb0caf9c11dea58ac99f17fb17b95728766de70e0
>> >
>> > As you can see now it shows as "Transaction not found".
>> >
>> > My suggestion is: it would be nice if the receiver could have a
>> > chance to pay the fee when the sender didn't pay any fee. For example,
>> > I could pay a fee of 0.0001 BTC and receive 0.00121 BTC. In the end I'd
>> > have 0.00111 BTC. Better than nothing.
>> >
>> > Would it be technically possible to do that or it would be too
>> > much trouble to change the protocol to allow the receiver to pay an
>> > optional fee?
>> >
>> > Ps: I'm not a programmer, but if the receiver could
>> > optionally "attach" some fee to the transaction, even if he/she didn't
>> > sent the transaction, this could be solved. Bitcoin-qt could even warn
>> > the receiver he received a transaction without fee and if he wants
>> > faster confirmation he could pay a fee.
>> >
>> > Ps2: if this is a silly suggestion, just ignore it. I tried on
>> > Bitcointalk, but nobody answered.
>> >
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>> > http://mcxnow.com
>> > Bitcoin: 12H6661yoLDUZaYPdah6urZS5WiXwTAUgL
>> >
>> >
>> >
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In order for miners to grab the transaction fee\n\u003e\u003e on that transaction, they would have to also mine the original transaction.\n\u003e\u003e Likely, you'd have to do this by hand, but software could be written to\n\u003e\u003e simplify doing it. No protocol changes needed.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Ben\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Dâniel Fraga \u003cfragabr at gmail.com\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e Someone sent me a very small donation (0.00121 BTC) without\n\u003e\u003e \u003e paying fees. I don't know who sent it and I know this type of\n\u003e\u003e \u003e transaction are usually rejected by miners. Take a look at it below:\n\u003e\u003e \u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e https://imageshack.com/i/ngv5g8j\n\u003e\u003e \u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e Even with the a low probability of confirmation, I\n\u003e\u003e \u003e was hoping that after a few days it could be included in a block, but\n\u003e\u003e \u003e Blockchain.info simply removed it (I know the sender sent from a\n\u003e\u003e \u003e Blockchain.info wallet, because he added a note):\n\u003e\u003e \u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3cde47ee3979a46b36bd61bdb0caf9c11dea58ac99f17fb17b95728766de70e0\n\u003e\u003e \u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e As you can see now it shows as \"Transaction not found\".\n\u003e\u003e \u003e\n\u003e\u003e \u003e My suggestion is: it would be nice if the receiver could have a\n\u003e\u003e \u003e chance to pay the fee when the sender didn't pay any fee. For example,\n\u003e\u003e \u003e I could pay a fee of 0.0001 BTC and receive 0.00121 BTC. 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