Correct. "Censorship resistance" is no longer a selling point when people are encouraged to load up their relay in the same cloud.
I think maybe we don't need to reach individuals and encourage them to setup cloud relays, because again my argument is cloud relays don't strengthen censorship resistance, so unless you need a private relay for private things, I don't think its right to encourage normies to cloud host a relay, it's a false predicate.
We need to encourage self-hosted hosted platforms like you mentioned to get relays into the hands of hosters. And get everyone's geeky friend to set them up a relay on their own metal.
I would rather rely on the hardcore nostr developers hosting public relays (paid or not) and having normies use them over private cloud relays.
I think people (specifically in the US) forget how much control the ABCs have over cloud providers and how much data they hoover, I think it's doing user's a disservice in the long run.
ChipTuner
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2024-08-17 19:16:38
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