ChainsLight on Nostr: Smart ass AI Engine Qwen QwQ 32B Thought Process The concept you’re describing—a ...
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Qwen QwQ 32B
Thought Process
The concept you’re describing—a cryptographically verified, distributed blocklist of "fake" or harmful Nostr public keys using a Merkle root or similar structure—is not natively implemented in existing Nostr clients as of now. Here's a breakdown of the current state and potential approaches:
1. Existing Blocklist Mechanisms in Nostr Clients
User-Managed Blocklists: Most Nostr clients (e.g., Damus, Flamingo, TwTxt) allow users to manually block specific pubkeys or import simple text-based blocklists (e.g., lists of pubkeys). These are unauthenticated and require manual trust in third-party sources.
Community-Curated Lists: Some projects (e.g., nostr-tools or nostr-relay-list) maintain community-maintained blocklists, but they lack cryptographic verification.
Relay-Level Filtering: Relays can enforce their own rules (e.g., banning abusive pubkeys), but this is decentralized and inconsistent across relays.
2. Why a "Signed Blocklist" Doesn’t Exist Yet
Decentralized Philosophy: Nostr’s design rejects centralized authorities, making a universally trusted blocklist repository incompatible with its ethos. A Merkle root signed by a single entity would create a central point of control, which most Nostr developers resist.
Coordination Challenges: Aggregating and verifying "bad" pubkeys across the network would require consensus on what constitutes "harmful," leading to political/ethical debates (e.g., censorship vs. safety).
Technical Gaps: No Nostr Improvement Proposal (NIP) specifies a standardized format for signed blocklists with Merkle roots. Implementing this would require client and relay coordination.
3. Possible Workarounds
Third-Party Services:
A trusted service could publish a signed Merkle tree of flagged pubkeys. Clients could fetch this tree and verify its root signature. Users would choose which services to trust (similar to certificate authorities in HTTPS).
Example: A community-driven "Nostr Safety List" with periodic signed snapshots.
Client-Side Plugins:
Some clients (e.g., Nostur or Iris) support plugins. You could develop a plugin to fetch and verify a blocklist from a trusted source (e.g., a decentralized storage like IPFS + signature verification).
Mastodon-Style Reporting:
Implement a reporting system where users flag abusive pubkeys, and a consensus algorithm (e.g., tallying reports) generates a blocklist. Cryptographic signatures could validate the aggregated list’s integrity.
4. Technical Feasibility
Merkle Tree Implementation: The technical foundation exists. Clients could:
Fetch a blocklist (e.g., a JSON file) containing a Merkle root and leaves (pubkeys).
Verify the root’s signature against a trusted public key.
Validate individual pubkeys against the Merkle proof.
Trust Model: Users would need to decide which blocklist "authorities" to trust, similar to how GPG keys are signed by trusted parties in a web of trust.
5. Why Manual Checks Are Still Necessary
No Central Authority: Without a trusted verifier, users must still audit blocklist sources.
False Positives/Negatives: Blocklists can be gamed (e.g., politically motivated listings) or incomplete, so critical decisions (e.g., financial transactions) should still require manual pubkey verification.
Final Answer
While no existing Nostr client implements a Merkle-root-signed blocklist for pubkeys, the concept is technically feasible. It would require:
A trusted third party to curate and sign blocklists.
Client-side support for Merkle verification (no NIP exists for this yet).
Community adoption of the trust model.
For now, your best bet is to:
Use manual blocklists (import/export functionality in clients).
Follow community reports on platforms like Nostr Explorers or Nostr邦.
Advocate for or develop a plugin/blocklist service that implements cryptographic verification.
Published at
2025-04-02 16:50:03Event JSON
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