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Original date posted:2015-06-18 ๐ Original message:On 06/12/2015 06:51 PM, ...
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Original date posted:2015-06-18
๐ Original message:On 06/12/2015 06:51 PM, Pieter Wuille wrote:
>> However, it does very clearly show the effects of
>> larger blocks on centralization pressure of the system.
On 6/14/2015 10:45 AM, Jonas Nick wrote:
> This means that your scenario is not the result of a cartel but the result of a long-term network partition.
>
Pieter, to Jonas' point, in your scenario the big miners are all part of
the majority partition, so "centralization pressure" (pressure to merge
with a big miner) cannot be separated from "pressure to be connected to
the majority partition".
I ran your simulation with a large (20%) miner in a 20% minority
partition, and 16 small (5%) miners in a majority 80% partition, well
connected. The starting point was your recent update, which had a more
realistic "slow link" speed of 100 Mbit/s (making all of the effects
smaller).
To summarize the results across both your run and mine:
** Making small blocks when others are making big ones -> BAD
** As above, and fees are enormous -> VERY BAD
** Being separated by a slow link from majority hash power -> BAD
** Being a small miner with blocksize=20MB -> *NOT BAD*
Configuration:
* Miner group 0: 20.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000
* Miner group 1: 80.000000% hashrate, blocksize 1000000.000000
* Expected average block size: 4800000.000000
* Average fee per block: 0.250000
* Fee per byte: 0.0000000521
Result:
* Miner group 0: 20.404704% income (factor 1.020235 with hashrate)
* Miner group 1: 79.595296% income (factor 0.994941 with hashrate)
Configuration:
* Miner group 0: 20.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000
* Miner group 1: 80.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000
* Expected average block size: 20000000.000000
* Average fee per block: 0.250000
* Fee per byte: 0.0000000125
Result:
* Miner group 0: 19.864232% income (factor 0.993212 with hashrate)
* Miner group 1: 80.135768% income (factor 1.001697 with hashrate)
Configuration:
* Miner group 0: 20.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000
* Miner group 1: 80.000000% hashrate, blocksize 1000000.000000
* Expected average block size: 4800000.000000
* Average fee per block: 25.000000
* Fee per byte: 0.0000052083
Result:
* Miner group 0: 51.316895% income (factor 2.565845 with hashrate)
* Miner group 1: 48.683105% income (factor 0.608539 with hashrate)
Configuration:
* Miner group 0: 20.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000
* Miner group 1: 80.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000
* Expected average block size: 20000000.000000
* Average fee per block: 25.000000
* Fee per byte: 0.0000012500
Result:
* Miner group 0: 19.865943% income (factor 0.993297 with hashrate)
* Miner group 1: 80.134057% income (factor 1.001676 with hashrate)
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Original date posted:2015-06-18\n๐ Original message:On 06/12/2015 06:51 PM, Pieter Wuille wrote:\n\u003e\u003e However, it does very clearly show the effects of\n\u003e\u003e larger blocks on centralization pressure of the system.\n\nOn 6/14/2015 10:45 AM, Jonas Nick wrote:\n\u003e This means that your scenario is not the result of a cartel but the result of a long-term network partition.\n\u003e\n\nPieter, to Jonas' point, in your scenario the big miners are all part of \nthe majority partition, so \"centralization pressure\" (pressure to merge \nwith a big miner) cannot be separated from \"pressure to be connected to \nthe majority partition\".\n\nI ran your simulation with a large (20%) miner in a 20% minority \npartition, and 16 small (5%) miners in a majority 80% partition, well \nconnected. The starting point was your recent update, which had a more \nrealistic \"slow link\" speed of 100 Mbit/s (making all of the effects \nsmaller).\n\nTo summarize the results across both your run and mine:\n\n** Making small blocks when others are making big ones -\u003e BAD\n** As above, and fees are enormous -\u003e VERY BAD\n\n** Being separated by a slow link from majority hash power -\u003e BAD\n\n** Being a small miner with blocksize=20MB -\u003e *NOT BAD*\n\n\nConfiguration:\n * Miner group 0: 20.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000\n * Miner group 1: 80.000000% hashrate, blocksize 1000000.000000\n * Expected average block size: 4800000.000000\n * Average fee per block: 0.250000\n * Fee per byte: 0.0000000521\nResult:\n * Miner group 0: 20.404704% income (factor 1.020235 with hashrate)\n * Miner group 1: 79.595296% income (factor 0.994941 with hashrate)\n\nConfiguration:\n * Miner group 0: 20.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000\n * Miner group 1: 80.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000\n * Expected average block size: 20000000.000000\n * Average fee per block: 0.250000\n * Fee per byte: 0.0000000125\nResult:\n * Miner group 0: 19.864232% income (factor 0.993212 with hashrate)\n * Miner group 1: 80.135768% income (factor 1.001697 with hashrate)\n\nConfiguration:\n * Miner group 0: 20.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000\n * Miner group 1: 80.000000% hashrate, blocksize 1000000.000000\n * Expected average block size: 4800000.000000\n * Average fee per block: 25.000000\n * Fee per byte: 0.0000052083\nResult:\n * Miner group 0: 51.316895% income (factor 2.565845 with hashrate)\n * Miner group 1: 48.683105% income (factor 0.608539 with hashrate)\n\nConfiguration:\n * Miner group 0: 20.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000\n * Miner group 1: 80.000000% hashrate, blocksize 20000000.000000\n * Expected average block size: 20000000.000000\n * Average fee per block: 25.000000\n * Fee per byte: 0.0000012500\nResult:\n * Miner group 0: 19.865943% income (factor 0.993297 with hashrate)\n * Miner group 1: 80.134057% income (factor 1.001676 with hashrate)",
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