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Original date posted:2014-03-10
š Original message:I was trying to use bip10 for multisig and coinjoin, but there was a
problem with it. I'll have to look back at my notes, but I thought I
sent you a message about it. And then real life swallowed my bitcoin time...
I think the bottom line was that it would be useful in the generic case
with just one minor change. If there is interest, and it sounds like
there just may be, I can dust off my notes and see where I left it.
Probably should do it soon before someone implements it in PB or XML.
Alan Reiner wrote:
> Then of course I tried to do this with BIP 10
> <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0010.mediawiki>; when
> Armory implemented offline-transactions two years ago. I got some
> positive feedback, but no one wanted to help improve it, etc. I guess
> nobody else was doing it and/or cared at the time. So I continue to
> use BIP 10 even though it's pretty crappy. I wanted it to be useful
> for multisig, too, but it has some deficiencies there (it was done
> when Armory was extremely young and OP_EVAL was still on the table).
>
> However, with all this activity, we should start thinking about that
> and discussing it. Otherwise, I'll just do my own thing again and
> probably end up with something that fits my own needs, but not anyone
> else's. Really though, multisig shouldn't require all the same app to
> work.
>
> -Alan
>
>
> On 03/10/2014 01:49 PM, Gavin Andresen wrote:
>> In my experience, best process for standardizing something is:
>>
>> 1) Somebody has a great idea
>> 2) They implement it
>> 3) Everybody agrees, "Great idea!" and they copy it.
>> 4) Idea gets refined by the people copying it.
>> 5) It gets standardized.
>>
>> Mutisig wallets are at step 2 right now. BIP is step 5, in my humble
>> opinion...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Drak <drak at zikula.org
>> <mailto:drak at zikula.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if there would be merit in a kind of BIP for a
>> payment protocol using multisig?
>>
>> Currently, setting up a multisig is quite a feat. Users have to
>> exchange public keys, work out how to get the public keys from
>> their addresses. If one of the parties are not savvy enough, an
>> malicious party could easily be setup that was 2 of 3 instead of
>> 2 of 2 where the malicious party generates the multisig
>> address+script and thus be able to run off with funds anyway.
>>
>> It's also terribly complex to generate and keep track of. There's
>> been a nice attempt at creating an browser interface at
>> coinb.in/multisig <http://coinb.in/multisig>; but it still lacks
>> the kind of ease with created by the payment protocol. If there
>> was a BIP then it would go a long way to aiding future usability
>> of multisig wallet implementations.
>>
>> What are your thoughts?
>>
>> Drak
>>
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>>
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Original date posted:2014-03-10\nš Original message:I was trying to use bip10 for multisig and coinjoin, but there was a \nproblem with it. I'll have to look back at my notes, but I thought I \nsent you a message about it. And then real life swallowed my bitcoin time...\n\nI think the bottom line was that it would be useful in the generic case \nwith just one minor change. If there is interest, and it sounds like \nthere just may be, I can dust off my notes and see where I left it. \nProbably should do it soon before someone implements it in PB or XML.\n\nAlan Reiner wrote:\n\u003e Then of course I tried to do this with BIP 10 \n\u003e \u003chttps://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0010.mediawiki\u003e when \n\u003e Armory implemented offline-transactions two years ago. I got some \n\u003e positive feedback, but no one wanted to help improve it, etc. I guess \n\u003e nobody else was doing it and/or cared at the time. So I continue to \n\u003e use BIP 10 even though it's pretty crappy. I wanted it to be useful \n\u003e for multisig, too, but it has some deficiencies there (it was done \n\u003e when Armory was extremely young and OP_EVAL was still on the table).\n\u003e\n\u003e However, with all this activity, we should start thinking about that \n\u003e and discussing it. Otherwise, I'll just do my own thing again and \n\u003e probably end up with something that fits my own needs, but not anyone \n\u003e else's. Really though, multisig shouldn't require all the same app to \n\u003e work.\n\u003e\n\u003e -Alan\n\u003e\n\u003e\n\u003e On 03/10/2014 01:49 PM, Gavin Andresen wrote:\n\u003e\u003e In my experience, best process for standardizing something is:\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e 1) Somebody has a great idea\n\u003e\u003e 2) They implement it\n\u003e\u003e 3) Everybody agrees, \"Great idea!\" and they copy it.\n\u003e\u003e 4) Idea gets refined by the people copying it.\n\u003e\u003e 5) It gets standardized.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Mutisig wallets are at step 2 right now. BIP is step 5, in my humble \n\u003e\u003e opinion...\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Drak \u003cdrak at zikula.org \n\u003e\u003e \u003cmailto:drak at zikula.org\u003e\u003e wrote:\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e I was wondering if there would be merit in a kind of BIP for a\n\u003e\u003e payment protocol using multisig?\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Currently, setting up a multisig is quite a feat. Users have to\n\u003e\u003e exchange public keys, work out how to get the public keys from\n\u003e\u003e their addresses. If one of the parties are not savvy enough, an\n\u003e\u003e malicious party could easily be setup that was 2 of 3 instead of\n\u003e\u003e 2 of 2 where the malicious party generates the multisig\n\u003e\u003e address+script and thus be able to run off with funds anyway.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e It's also terribly complex to generate and keep track of. There's\n\u003e\u003e been a nice attempt at creating an browser interface at\n\u003e\u003e coinb.in/multisig \u003chttp://coinb.in/multisig\u003e but it still lacks\n\u003e\u003e the kind of ease with created by the payment protocol. If there\n\u003e\u003e was a BIP then it would go a long way to aiding future usability\n\u003e\u003e of multisig wallet implementations.\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e What are your thoughts?\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e Drak\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e ------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\u003e\u003e Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book\n\u003e\u003e \"Graph Databases\" is the definitive new guide to graph databases\n\u003e\u003e and their\n\u003e\u003e applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,\n\u003e\u003e this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!\n\u003e\u003e http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech\n\u003e\u003e _______________________________________________\n\u003e\u003e Bitcoin-development mailing list\n\u003e\u003e Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net\n\u003e\u003e \u003cmailto:Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net\u003e\n\u003e\u003e https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e -- \n\u003e\u003e --\n\u003e\u003e Gavin Andresen\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e\n\u003e\u003e ------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\u003e\u003e Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book\n\u003e\u003e \"Graph Databases\" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their\n\u003e\u003e applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,\n\u003e\u003e this first edition is now available. 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