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2025-05-05 21:03:23
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augustuscato on Nostr: First no neighboring country in that area takes the idea of Palestinian state ...

First no neighboring country in that area takes the idea of Palestinian state seriously. Egypt and Jordan ruled Gaza and the West Bank very harshly. They didn't give or consider giving independence to the Palestinians.
They both they don't like the idea of a Palestinian state. Jordan had a conflict with the Palestinian militias in the 1970's who tried to overthrow the King.
Egypt's government hates Hamas because they see them as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. A group it has been in conflict for over 100 years.
Lebanon doesn't like the Palestinians because after the militias were kicked out Jordan they entered into the South of Lebanon. Which increased intra communal violence, leading to a 15 year civil war, and loss of sovereignty ever since.
Saudi Arabia don't want anything to do with the Palestinians, they see them as too unruly.
Syria keeps the Palestinians separated, and doesn't allow to become Syrians.

Israel has repeatedly set conditions for a Palestinian state based on their perceived security concerns. This is a Israeli national policy not Netanyahu's decision.

Let's compare Netanyahu conditions with a previous prime minister.
Bibi's is quoted as saying that for Palestinian state: "... it be demilitarized, that Jerusalem remain unified [under Israeli control] and that Israel have full security control, including freedom of action for the IDF and the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) to prevent terrorism against Israel."

https://web.archive.org/web/20250402143758/https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082

Golda Meir over 50 years ago "..viewed the possibility of a future Palestinian state as likely to materialize in the future. “It will be necessary to leave the Arabs of Judea and Samaria an option to earn self-determination at a later stage, if and when it suits us,”
https://archive.md/xIC7t

Saddam was not taken off the embargo list when in fact he faced extra sanctions prior to the invasion of Kuwait- the 1st Gulf War.
UNSCR 661 prevented 'sale of weapons... military equipment to Iraq...' Part of the resolution also prevented exports from Iraq, of which oil exports was a vital part of Iraq's economy at the time.
Saddam invaded in 1990, partly on the assumption, that because he thought the U.S is so far away, that he could get away with it. He was proven wrong. That war was a case where the threat of deterrence was not high enough to stop an aggressive expansionist force wishing to crush an ally.

The 2nd War- that is different. It might have happened anyway, with or without the 'spreading democracy' project. Iraq was always going to try to expand further into the Gulf. They needed more oil to rebuild their Army and economy after two wars- one against Iran in the 80's and the other was the first Gulf war. This was alarming to neighboring countries who were also major oil exporters, which in turn alarmed other U.S allies who depended on getting oil from that part of the world.
Remember Iraqi government's forces were already getting bombed in 1990's- after the 1st war, as part of the 'no fly zone' project which lasted 12 years.






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