1) No, I'm agreeing with you that it does publish transactions by default. Reread both charts carefully.
2) No, I specified obfuscation on the first chart. For second chart (FCMP++) it will encrypt the sender based off ZK accumulators. I never contested that lightning encrypts senders. Again, did you even read my charts lol?
3) This is where I might agree depending on what you mean. Are you claiming nodes can't see the change in their channel balances when payments are going through them? Or are you saying they are unsure of the original amount that was sent? (because the receiver *could* be using AMP atomic multi-path payments, etc)
"Not even the last node in the route knows who the recipient is or what amount the sender sent."
AFAIK this isn't true, but open to being wrong if you can show me. Even though sender and intermediary nodes don't know, the very last hop knows the recipient (of course).
4)
>"...you write that lightning does not (red x) hide your ip address BY DEFAULT. It does..."
>"...you first have to set up port forwarding...then you have to make a CHOICE...Most people CHOOSE to use tor"
???
which one is it? Is it by default or not?
Monero uses dandelion to hide IP origin of a transaction from other nodes on the network by default - EVEN WITHOUT TOR
P.S. Is your conversation with Luke Parker on Seths pod still happening? I think both sides would learn a lot from it.
SaberhagenTheNameless / Saberhagen The Nameless
npub14a…yz6rn
2024-08-16 09:42:52
in reply to nevent1q…cguz
Author Public Key
npub14a6q6xvt4wuv0wpdpfr336e4fweldtu6np3ehpw55h83xuw2h2zsgyz6rnPublished at
2024-08-16 09:42:52Event JSON
{
"id": "542b883dd16b638a50d4b98764ff1726a0ff02a33baac624abcc0cd0ef25e011",
"pubkey": "af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85",
"created_at": 1723801372,
"kind": 1,
"tags": [
[
"e",
"d4a5e222ec20a26c7c145bd76546df7e8ed8acc5e03791cddf7865a50477792d",
"wss://relay.damus.io/",
"root"
],
[
"e",
"9eebbb92df9bbcfc0e89679b8dc31a6a230fff3bf1c3122272c4d3f6dea344a8",
"",
"reply"
],
[
"p",
"2183e94758481d0f124fbd93c56ccaa45e7e545ceeb8d52848f98253f497b975"
],
[
"p",
"af740d198babb8c7b82d0a4718eb354bb3f6af9a98639b85d4a5cf1371caba85"
]
],
"content": "1) No, I'm agreeing with you that it does publish transactions by default. Reread both charts carefully.\n\n2) No, I specified obfuscation on the first chart. For second chart (FCMP++) it will encrypt the sender based off ZK accumulators. I never contested that lightning encrypts senders. Again, did you even read my charts lol?\n\n\n3) This is where I might agree depending on what you mean. Are you claiming nodes can't see the change in their channel balances when payments are going through them? Or are you saying they are unsure of the original amount that was sent? (because the receiver *could* be using AMP atomic multi-path payments, etc)\n\n\"Not even the last node in the route knows who the recipient is or what amount the sender sent.\"\n\nAFAIK this isn't true, but open to being wrong if you can show me. Even though sender and intermediary nodes don't know, the very last hop knows the recipient (of course).\n\n\n4) \n \u003e\"...you write that lightning does not (red x) hide your ip address BY DEFAULT. It does...\"\n\n\u003e\"...you first have to set up port forwarding...then you have to make a CHOICE...Most people CHOOSE to use tor\"\n\n??? \n\nwhich one is it? Is it by default or not?\n\nMonero uses dandelion to hide IP origin of a transaction from other nodes on the network by default - EVEN WITHOUT TOR\n\n\nP.S. Is your conversation with Luke Parker on Seths pod still happening? I think both sides would learn a lot from it.",
"sig": "7088964d7f057a0fa86ea8e8d8ac92135b91dde1b24c9afd8a4f84d0e599fffd84675e5537e056b79236cbae7718afecbe234c977df68873b6ff405850230a93"
}