Sure, watching to see what happens next is *critical* but sending the money in the first place is *also* a critical part of the trace, unless you can find someone who already sent money to your target. You need a pubkey to watch -- where so you get it? Either by paying it yourself or finding someone who already did. You don't get to exclude that critical step in almost every trace just because you find it inconvenient that monero makes it easy.
> you can do the first half (send dust!) but not the second (know what happens next!) therefore it is not tracing
First half of what? If your answer is "first half of tracing" then QED, sending money and identifying the destination is part of tracing. And that is what your answer "should" be because dust attacks are a perfect example of tracing -- a textbook example. And they completely rely on what you call "the first half." It's a critical step of practically every trace except ones where someone you're working with already sent the target some money.
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npub1yx…c399s
2025-05-31 22:43:05
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2025-05-31 22:43:05Event JSON
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