liminal on Nostr: Its a very dense book but also well written 😵💫🫣 if you spend some time ...
Its a very dense book but also well written 😵💫🫣 if you spend some time with it the ideas come into focus. There's lots of gold there.
My interpretation goes something like this, which relates to earlier ideas in the book.
There is the Natural world, and there is Our (first person) world.
We can only understand the Natural world through our first person sensations. Our senses activate from the differences we feel and the relationships we've mapped (approximate cause and effect) between sensations. In actuality what it means is that we can't grasp causality in the natural world, but the cause and effect of sensations. I see clouds in the sky and expect to feel wet if I'm outside.
If the world was uniform, there is nothing to observe. Also, because we observe the world through our senses, we are limited at getting to any fundamental Truths.
The interesting thing happens when we move from working with direct sensations and use those relationships in isolation. Formal systems take the relationships we've acquired from our senses into sets of rules to experiment around with for their own sake. And because formal systems ultimately come from abstracting our sensations, they aren't Natural. Anything 'rule' based is not actually natural, but instead an approximation. Its important to recognize the map isn't the territory, confusing the two gets problematic whenever we use the rules derived on the map that don't actually exist in the real world. At the same time, we should be creating and using effective maps.
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