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I believe you and I are at odds on one thing - I believe that Israel DOES have the right to exist. Jews were living in Palestine for centuries prior to the "British Occupancy"... They may or may not have had control of their government, and they may or may not have had a voice in their government (vis a vis the British), etc, but Jews have lived in that region for more than three millennia.
The creation of a Jewish State in that region was a direct result of the atrocities perpetrated on Jews by the Nazis in Germany and the Fascista is Italy. The world decided Jews needed their own country.
Don't blame Israel because the rest of the world was racist and didn't want Jews in their country - yes, even the United States, at the time, wouldn't take them in. The World decided that, since the region was already in turmoil, just NIMBY the Jews over there, give them Jerusalem and some land around it, and call it Israel.
Would you be willing to give up Philly and all the land around it for 100 miles so that Israel can move in there? No? How about NYC? Rome?
The point is that Jews have been there for most of written history. There was no recognized government in the region in the 1940s. Palestine existed only as a British Protectorate - its borders were defined by the ocean and the countries around it.
The WORLD created this situation, by not wanting to take the Jews in themselves. The WORLD created this situation, by dropping Israel into Palestine with little more than bus fare and telling Israel, "This is yours, now. You're on your own."
Your point that "Jews weren't there" is proved false by the census data you yourself provided. Jews WERE there, and have been for over 3,000 years.
Your point that a foreign power's (Britain's) abuse was an invasion is correct, however, at the time the Israeli government was formed, there was no Palestinian government. Israel's legitimacy was created by the League of Nations at the time, and they were dumped into a region which had no government.
I've got blood on both sides of this war. Israel isn't blameless, and neither are those acting in the name of Palestine. Just as the U.S. is guilty of atrocities, and every other government in existence, I condemn the atrocities, but the atrocities do not change whether that government has a right to govern until the world decides to take those countries to war.
I tooted my rage and disgust when this current explosion created. I don't want this war...
... but anyone who tries to convince me that the country the governments of the world had set up because they didn't want Jews in their countries is illegitimate will be presented with arguments similar to the above by me.
Israel's government is legitimate - because the rest of the world didn't want Jews in their countries, because there was no existing government in the region at the time, and because of longevity.
And you now want to boot modern Jews out of their own homes - the only homes they've known for 4 generations? and make Germany pay for it?
Ok.. maybe that last sentence was a bit harsh, and maybe uncalled for, but it illustrates part of the point I'm making.
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