the most annoying thing about having nuked my mute list is meeting all the moneros again and their braindead refusal to understand that lighting obsoletes the entire use case of monero
what's compical about it is they literally don't understand it exists because you can't see the transaction data of lightning, that's exactly the point, you can see the tx data of monero, by the number of transactions, you simply cannot gain any reasonable measure of how many transactions happen on lightning
BY DESIGN
if it were visible it wouldn't be practical because who the fuck is gonna store all that data anyway?
does Visa share their transaction data with other payment processing clearinghouses they work with? nope. only the ones that cross between them, and those are generally batched and the number of actual payments that they represent is condensed into a single volume of rebalancing.
why i should have to explain the architecture of payment channels, which are essentially the same as swap lines between payment processors, to moneros, is hilarious because they clearly don't believe there is any activity unless it's on a public record
let that sink in, moneros
the whole point is that with lightning, we have literally several hundred thousand servers that sit in the same position in the architecture as what in fiat finance are some few thousand payment and interbank clearinghouses
if all that shit had to be kept in a consistent public ledger it would be gigabytes per second of data, and where are the node runners who can muster 10gbit+ bandwidth and hundreds of terabytes of ledger history?
yeah, duh.
just fuck off already.
your stupid toy blockchain that is so beloved of the dark web's most febrile and retarded drug dealers is outdated, and less secure than if they just spent some of their fucking money on funding the development of marketplace apps that are based on keysend and AMP
in fact, you could build an entire borderless single marketplace protocol like bisq but for anything and everything ON TOP of lightning, not just the payment rails but the actual market data could be there transmitted without even needing Tor either.
mleku
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