𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 on Nostr: That was all they knew. And nobody told them otherwise because nobody else knew ...

That was all they knew. And nobody told them otherwise because nobody else knew either.

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So StatusNet wasn't really part of the #FederatedSocialWeb in practice.

According to my sources the sorry goes a bit different here - sorry for that @Jupiter Rowland

The "Federated Social Web" was an term founded and an initiative started by Evan Prodromou, the head and CEO behind #StatusNet #Ostaus and #IdentiCa. In July 2010 he tried to get together all active groups developing code specific to federation of the web. This happen to be just around the days as @Mike Macgirvin came around the corner with #DFRN. He got even invited to this "Federated Social Web" summit but i guess the way form Australia to Portland Oregon was a bit to long, for this short-term invitation.

There where some more "Federated Social Web" meetings and one result form Evans initiative was also the "W3C Federated Social Web Incubator Group" started on 15 December 2010 and transitioned on 12 January 2012 to the "W3C Federated Social Web Community Group". This group did all the basic work for the Activitypub definitions published 2018 https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/

It appears that in all this meetings Mikes project were never present. In all this "Federated Social Web" summits and follower up meeting all kinds of protocols, networks, platforms were discussed - but i read never about Mistpark, friendica, hubzilla, DFRN or ZOT . But Evan and the others DEVs know about Mikes work for sure. For very sure - but they were following their own projects and ideas.

The OStatus support side was hard-coded for only this one instance because the devs believed that identi.ca was a monolithic walled garden just like Twitter.

Evan had always also some kind of businesses modes in mind and he got in August 2010 even $2.3 million. Dollars of Ventures capital for #StatusNet. So the whole setting for this #FederatedSocialWeb initiative has to be seen also in this light.

And.... Guess who the chairman of the W3C Social Web Working Community Group was - Evan.

Now ... also the Free Software Foundation (FSF) was also just focused on OStatus and StatusNet. By 2010 a decision of the GNU social steering committee was made to built on top of the OStatus protocol and the StatusNet codebase a project called "GNU social". It's main goal was to deployable with a minimal hosting configuration. So GNU social got on the way and was finally around 2012/13 the successor of Indenti.ca/Status.net .

Now we can understand a bit better that DFRN/ZOT/NOMAD Projects were never considered later e.g. for the FSF. Today they use of cause Masto, the successor of GNU social.

Somehow the line of projects started with Mistpark got ignored by powerful institutions because advocates and proponent were missing here.In two weeks from today here in Cologne we will have a summit about the chances of free social networks, also organized by the Free Software Foundation Europe

https://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20230712-01.en.html

One of the speaks will be @Tobias. He has been a follower of Mikes projects since the very early days in 2011 and still is running a Friendica community hub and is working for the FSFE also as system administrator. He should know also a bit about #Hubzilla and #Streams and we can hope for sure that the word about Mike projects will be finally start to be spread :-)

I will report.