📅 Original date posted:2021-10-11
📝 Original message:
Completely agree with this. How to move this forward? Set up a vote? What
would be the reasoning for not moving it?
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 23:25, Fabrice Drouin <fabrice.drouin at acinq.fr> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When you navigate to https://github.com/lightningnetwork/ you find
> - the Lightning Network white paper
> - the Lightning Network specifications
> - and ... the source code for lnd!
>
> This has been an anomaly for years, which has created some confusion
> between Lightning the open-source protocol and Lightning Labs, one of
> the companies specifying and implementing this protocol, but we didn't
> do anything about it.
>
> I believe that was a mistake: a few days ago, Arcane Research
> published a fairly detailed report on the state of the Lightning
> Network: https://twitter.com/ArcaneResearch/status/1445442967582302213.
> They obviously did some real work there, and seem to imply that their
> report was vetted by Open Node and Lightning Labs.
>
> Yet in the first version that they published you’ll find this:
>
> "Lightning Labs, founded in 2016, has developed the reference client
> for the Lightning Network called Lightning Network Daemon (LND)....
> They also maintain the network standards documents (BOLTs)
> repository."
>
> They changed it because we told them that it was wrong, but the fact
> that in 2021 people who took time do do proper research, interviews,
> ... can still misunderstand that badly how the Lightning developers
> community works means that we ourselves badly underestimated how
> confusing mixing the open-source specs for Lightning and the source
> code for one of its implementations can be.
>
> To be clear, I'm not blaming Arcane Research that much for thinking
> that an implementation of an open-source protocol that is hosted with
> the white paper and specs for that protocol is a "reference"
> implementation, and thinking that since Lightning Labs maintains lnd
> then they probably maintain the other stuff too. The problem is how
> that information is published.
>
> So I'm proposing that lnd's source code be removed from
> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/ (and moved to
> https://github.com/lightninglabs for example, with the rest of their
> Lightning tools, but it's up to Lightning Labs).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fabrice
> _______________________________________________
> Lightning-dev mailing list
> Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
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